Brisbane's Own "PATH Train" - a link to the Port of Brisbane

[Gazza]

The industrial areas will die, if they are not turned into mixed use regions.

How so? We're talking about the Port of Brisbane right?
Are you saying in the future there will be a gradual decline in container traffic, grain etc?

I was always under the impression that mixed use was about having commerical and residential together. To a lesser extent, commercial and industrial would make sense, but I'm sorry I cannot see any way you could put industrial and residential together and have it work.

Summed up the 'triangle' perfecty!

Commercial & Residential is like the CBD and inner suburbs.
Commercial & Industrial is like some of the new business parks, suburbs like Darra, Sumner Park etc
Residential & Industrial sounds like a horror movie, and doesn't happen much anywhere in Australia really.

[Golliwog]

Summed up the 'triangle' perfecty!

I've played Sim City 

[dwb]

"avoiding the development of an "ugly" and isolated industrial "no go" zone!" That's the very heart of my suggestion...NO city, anywhere, benefits from having large sections of it under-utilised outside of business hours.  Two points, 1) it was not many years ago, that the Brisbane CBD was itself a ghost town after hours - look at it now, people have come back to living in the heart of it, why because of the infrastructure, rail infrastructure plays a key role in that and will more so in the future, with the cross-river tunnel project and HOPEFULLY, the Newman subway proposal.  2) leading on from "1", why go out and build more and more, further spread "satellite" communities (a topic on the talbe right now for SEQ) with HUGE new costs, including infrastructure - assuming they get all the necessary infrastructure (SEQ doesn't have a great track record), putting people further and further away from established cities, when key parts of the city, already with extensive infrastructure, are not more fully utilised, simply because people have never been encouraged and supported in embracing those regions - HUGE SAVINGS to be had.

Finally, look at Newstead, 10-20yrs ago a clapped out part of "old Brissy" full of long closed wool stores and dirty old wharfs - look at it today - imagine it, just 5-10yrs from now - it needs light rail urgently, but that's another topic.

Put CityTrain down to the Port and bring developers onboard for PT friendly, medium/higher density living, along with the ongoing business development - people want vibrant mixed communities and to be part of real cities, not stuck out in some distant new estate, with a 30min journey just to the shinny new bus stop!  (for one of 4 buses a day).  It's been more and more done even with building developments too, mixed use, part commercial, part retail, part housing.  The UNIQUE Port of Brisbane, part commercial port, part business communities and Part housing/retail.     

Sorry Steelpan but I think you've overlooked how much of the area is an exclusion zone. You can't build houses, shops, cafes and businesses there due to the explosive/dangerous chemical nature of many activities on/near port land.

Fact.

There's bigger fish to fry, AIRport for one!

[colinw]

Logan Village - A bit different to running trains on a track thats barely 30kg (cannot remember exactly but did post in QRIG) bolted line, on so so sleepers sitting in ballast thats more ash than rock to track made with even 45kg welded line on even steel sleepers on proper ballast. The first 1km or so is a bit slow, improves post retirement village and improves further post school, but you'd still get 60 out of it but after the school its probably better or could easily be made better than much of the existing suburban lines. What Qld Transport won't like is the number of LX'ings

G'day Shane,

Good to see you on RailBOT.

You're quite right about the line to Logan Village.  For the most part it is better aligned than some of the existing lines like Ferny Grove.  Leaving Bethania there are a a series of reverse curves (no worse than Beenleigh Line around Sunnybank - Banoon ,or around Kingston - Woodridge), then it straightens out after Old Logan Village Rd lx.  Another reverse curve just past Easterly Street and you're on to a very long undulating straight that goes nearly the whole way to Logan Village (Dairy Creek Road to where the line comes in alongside Waterford - Tamborine road). Then a couple of reverse curves that could be knocked out no trouble as there's no encroaching development, and finally straight to beyond Logan Village.

If re built with modern track & ballast from Bethania it would be 60 km/h for the first couple of km, then 80 to past Easterly St, then open up to 100 the rest of the way to LV except for maybe one 80 curve after it comes in next to Waterford - Tamborine road.

The speed limits on the old line where a legacy of track condition and light rail.  The alignment itself is as good or better than much of the rest of the system,

The worst curves on the line were toward Beaudesert around Veresdale.  Those curves will never see another train, as the proposed new line linking across from the interstate line doesn't join the old branch until Woodhill.