Storey Bridge bus routes

[dwb]

Going via Story Bridge is probably not optimal. You will now have three possible places the bus will be going from the busway, which is just going to add more confusion.
The northern part of Adelaide street and fortitude valley is also notorious for congestion.

I disagree that all roads need to lead to Rome.

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[somebody]

Going via Story Bridge is probably not optimal. You will now have three possible places the bus will be going from the busway, which is just going to add more confusion.
The northern part of Adelaide street and fortitude valley is also notorious for congestion.

I disagree that all roads need to lead to Rome.

What are you trying to say here?  That we need more cross town routes?  What's that got to do with Storey Bridge vs busway?

[Golliwog]

Just cross the Storey Bridge and terminate in Fortitude Valley would be my suggestion. Or tie it in with a northern route and continue straight through.

[dwb]

I'm trying to say as per Golliwog above, or alternatively that even CBD bound routes could go via Story Bridge.

Also, if it went via Story you'd likely want a station on Kangaroo Point, and then you could tie it in with a bridge across to the Botanic Gardens... it would be a shorter walk from KP than from Roma St!

Going via Story Bridge is probably not optimal. You will now have three possible places the bus will be going from the busway, which is just going to add more confusion.
The northern part of Adelaide street and fortitude valley is also notorious for congestion.

I disagree that all roads need to lead to Rome.

What are you trying to say here?  That we need more cross town routes?  What's that got to do with Storey Bridge vs busway?

[somebody]

Just cross the Storey Bridge and terminate in Fortitude Valley would be my suggestion. Or tie it in with a northern route and continue straight through.

I've recently thinking about doing this with the 370, i.e. it takes over the 475/476 PA Hospital service, rather than going to the city.  Makes a lot of sense to me.

[Golliwog]

Just cross the Storey Bridge and terminate in Fortitude Valley would be my suggestion. Or tie it in with a northern route and continue straight through.

I've recently thinking about doing this with the 370, i.e. it takes over the 475/476 PA Hospital service, rather than going to the city.  Makes a lot of sense to me.

I'd be all for it. I'm a fan of not terminating routes in the CBD unless you can't help it. But at the same time, having the 475/6 do the PA Hospital run strikes me as odd. Its rather roundabout. The 370 makes sense, if you wanted to go to the CBD you could go for any other bus from Chermside and its still heading in the right direction. The 475/6 routing, passengers already on the route service from Rainworth would be better off transfering at North Quay (Stop 109) to Route 109. Those past the CBD would have a service either way (370 or 475/6) and this way theres at least a chance that your providing more people with a 1 seat trip that makes sense. Plus it connects 2 hospitals with 1 route, and with a minor deviation could do 3 (Prince Charles, not Mater Hill).

[somebody]

Pretty interesting suggestion about deviating the 370 to serve PCH.  I presume, terminating there.  I'm inclined to support that one.   It's only the 437m Hamilton Rd-Wallace St which would lose their all stops service.  Main downside would be the grannies on Gympie Rd who would then need to walk to an express stop to reach Chermside shops.  Although they could also interchange.

Perhaps you meant to do the sideways U via Hamilton Rd/Farnell St/Wallace St.  I think that idea would be better.

The main issue is that it is not clear where the bus would stop at PCH?  The existing Great Circle stop is actually slightly closer.  Perhaps you could use Rode Rd instead of Wallace St and serve that stop, but I'd like a stop nearer the front gate.  Not sure if a bus can turn around in the entrance area.

[Golliwog]

I don't think there would be much of a problem going via PCH and still terminating at Chermside shops. I envisaged something U shaped using Rode Rd and Hamilton Rd. You could go through the hospital grounds themselves, and get out on either Hamilton Rd of Wallace Street. I don't know much about traffic on Wallace St but I know that the intersection of Hamilton Rd and Gympie Rd can get pretty clogged sometimes.

If you used Wallace St, instead of turning left into Gympie Rd to get to Chermside, perhaps they could just do the loop around Kuran St, Kingsmill St and then left into Hamilton Rd like the 77 does? If it serves stops on that loop that would however give you a one way loop, although its not a particularly big one. If you played with the set up of the lights on Hamilton Rd that gives access into the parking lot and the bus interchange, buses could turn right from Hamilton Rd into there and that would remove the 1 way loop (for the 77 as well) but I'm not sure how easily that could be done.

[somebody]

I am supportive of what you are suggesting. Much more achievable than establishing new stops etc.

The main limitation is that the 333 (I say) would need to serve all stops between Rode Rd and Hamilton Rd.  I don't actually see the problem with this.  However, it does make the poor location of the 330/333/340/370 inbound stop on Gympie Rd f/s Hamilton Rd a much issue.  It would be much nicer to have this on the north side of Hamilton Rd.

But back to the Storey Bridge end, if the 231/236 Bulimba peak routes used Adelaide St rather than Ann St/Elizabeth St would that be slower in the AM due to the bus lane on Ann St speeding up the routes?  Or doesn't it help?

[Golliwog]

What if you changed what is it, 325/335? so that they went Gympie Rd all stops then Rode Rd across to Webster Rd?

Hmmmm. I'm not sure. From what I've observed, the bus lane is a help, although it can be a bit of a hindrance when it comes to buses infront already stopped at a stop. If there were properly indented bus bays it wouldn't be too bad, but you still have issues like at Edwards St when cars merge into it to turn left (which I'm fine with, btw. I'm not saying they should can that) but it holds up buses behind particularly when they can fit into Edward st so they just block the lane. But this also happens with buses that are turning too. Not sure how exactly to solve that other than to remove the turn entirely, or somehow squeeze an extra turning lane in.

I would be more in favour of streamlining Adelaide St. Provide some better enforcement of the buses and local traffic only rule (I notice a nubmer of cars in the evening peak that just seem to drive up it, not as locals access a building), and reduce the number of bus stops. I'll explain that one. Combine adjacent stops so that theres the front stop which they all use, but if theres a nubmer that turn up at once they just line up behind similar-ish to how the Cultural Center operates, but with a designated spot on the street where your bus will turn up, but unlike the CC, theres less demand at your stop as you don't have a massive number of routes all trying to use a station that can only hold 3 or 4 buses at a time.

[somebody]

What if you changed what is it, 325/335? so that they went Gympie Rd all stops then Rode Rd across to Webster Rd?

Going off topic again, but then what would serve Webster Rd south of Rode Rd?

[Golliwog]

Only a little

No I meant it would be going north up Webster Rd, turn right onto Rode Rd then left onto Gympie Rd and go to Chermside. Webster Rd would only be unserved between Rode Rd and Hamilton Rd.

[#Metro]

Why wouldn't you just re-route route 77???
I like route 370, it's a very simple route.

Send 77 up the busway, make it pop out at Wooloongabba, up over the Story Bridge through the Valley up into RBWH busway down Gympie Road to Chermside.

[somebody]

I'm reconsidering about the 370-PCH now.  New thread: http://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=5724.0

[Golliwog]

Because the whole point of route 77 is that it doesn't go into the City/Valley.

But fair point. Chermside does already have a PA Hospital connection.

[#Metro]

I know, but I think 77 has low patronage. Might be time to experiment with some changes to it.
Making it pop out at Wooloongabba adds all sorts of extra connection opportunities, going up Main Road adds destinations like Kangaroo Pt and Fortitude Valley and RBWH which are not on the 'destination menu' at present.

These changes will be an increase in mobility IMHO.

[Golliwog]

I don't think it really has low patronage. I know people on the southside who like it because it provides easy access to the northside without having to muck around in the city. And I know people on the northside who like it because of the access to UQ it gives.

[somebody]

I don't think it really has low patronage. I know people on the southside who like it because it provides easy access to the northside without having to muck around in the city. And I know people on the northside who like it because of the access to UQ it gives.

UQ would actually be a more reasonable terminus than 8MP IMO.  Running all that way it is carrying a lot of air when pax could just as easily be using the 169 for that part.