Extend the peak period

[Derwan]

I had to drop some friends to the airport at 5:30 this morning.  Even at that time there was significant traffic and even some congestion on the Gateway Motorway.

This only goes to prove that if there is reliable transport available just outside the traditional peak periods, people will adjust their habits.

Of course public transport is NOT reliable outside the traditional peak periods - so people either catch trains when they're more frequent (i.e. during the traditional peak period) or they drive outside of the traditional peak period.

Of course a 15-minute off-peak frequency would go a long way to solving this, but for now (especially considering CRR is going to be delayed), we need a greater frequency for a longer period in the mornings and evenings.

[somebody]

 

[ButFli]

Yeah, had to catch public transport work this morning at 9:15AM for a 10:00AM start. Same thing last Friday. The 199 was chockers. On Friday it was denying passengers for the last part. They aren't your standard office-worker types who usually fill buses in peak periods. They are more the New Farm regulars like the homeless, near-homeless, older folk and backpackers. Still, they pay their fairs and they deserve a bus service that doesn't leave them behind! The problem is that after about 9:00AM the 199 drops back to a 10 minute frequency. Not good enough, I say! Any route that can consistently fill buses to capacity on the shoulder periods deserves an extension of peak frequency.

5-minute frequency on the 199 required until at least 9:30AM!

[somebody]

Yeah, had to catch public transport work this morning at 9:15AM for a 10:00AM start. Same thing last Friday. The 199 was chockers. On Friday it was denying passengers for the last part. They aren't your standard office-worker types who usually fill buses in peak periods. They are more the New Farm regulars like the homeless, near-homeless, older folk and backpackers. Still, they pay their fairs and they deserve a bus service that doesn't leave them behind! The problem is that after about 9:00AM the 199 drops back to a 10 minute frequency. Not good enough, I say! Any route that can consistently fill buses to capacity on the shoulder periods deserves an extension of peak frequency.

5-minute frequency on the 199 required until at least 9:30AM!

The New Farm side of the 199 easily justifies a direct service full time IMO.  Even if some people disagree, I really can't see why anyone wouldn't want it in peak.

[#Metro]

199 should be upgraded to Tri-axle or Arctic operation ASAP.
If this means a roundabout here etc needs to disappear, so be it.

5 minute operation all day interpeak and weekend.

[somebody]

199 should be upgraded to Tri-axle or Arctic operation ASAP.
If this means a roundabout here etc needs to disappear, so be it.

5 minute operation all day interpeak and weekend.

That would mean longer dwell times on an already slow all stops service.  I don't support this.

[#Metro]

It is either that or passengers get left behind at the bus stop. Higher frequency services during peak hour are going to be problematic because below 5 minutes you are going to have annoying bunching effects and it might be more economical to just get a bigger bus. Time savings from adding more frequent buses during peak hour are also going to be minimal as well (< 5 minutes)

If you have FREQUENCY in the off-peak you can afford to relax reliability a little.

Arctic and triaxle buses are used on other routes in Brisbane, I don't see why 199 should have a special exemption.
Perhaps it should be made double door boarding.

[somebody]

It is either that or passengers get left behind at the bus stop. Higher frequency services during peak hour are going to be problematic because below 5 minutes you are going to have annoying bunching effects and it might be more economical to just get a bigger bus. Time savings from adding more frequent buses during peak hour are also going to be minimal as well (< 5 minutes)

If you have FREQUENCY in the off-peak you can afford to relax reliability a little.

Arctic and triaxle buses are used on other routes in Brisbane, I don't see why 199 should have a special exemption.
Perhaps it should be made double door boarding.

Not used on any all stops routes as far as I know.  Unless you count 111/160 as all stops.

[ButFli]

Yeah, had to catch public transport work this morning at 9:15AM for a 10:00AM start. Same thing last Friday. The 199 was chockers. On Friday it was denying passengers for the last part. They aren't your standard office-worker types who usually fill buses in peak periods. They are more the New Farm regulars like the homeless, near-homeless, older folk and backpackers. Still, they pay their fairs and they deserve a bus service that doesn't leave them behind! The problem is that after about 9:00AM the 199 drops back to a 10 minute frequency. Not good enough, I say! Any route that can consistently fill buses to capacity on the shoulder periods deserves an extension of peak frequency.

5-minute frequency on the 199 required until at least 9:30AM!

The New Farm side of the 199 easily justifies a direct service full time IMO.  Even if some people disagree, I really can't see why anyone wouldn't want it in peak.

A "direct" service does not increase capacity and that is what is needed. If by "direct" you mean "via Ivory St" then every second 199 in peak already does this.

It is either that or passengers get left behind at the bus stop. Higher frequency services during peak hour are going to be problematic because below 5 minutes you are going to have annoying bunching effects and it might be more economical to just get a bigger bus. Time savings from adding more frequent buses during peak hour are also going to be minimal as well (< 5 minutes)

If you have FREQUENCY in the off-peak you can afford to relax reliability a little.

Arctic and triaxle buses are used on other routes in Brisbane, I don't see why 199 should have a special exemption.
Perhaps it should be made double door boarding.

Not used on any all stops routes as far as I know.  Unless you count 111/160 as all stops.

Not used on suburban streets, either? We've been through this before. The 199 route as it is is not appropriate for artic or "super" buses. The problem is more than just the odd roundabout (are there even any roundabouts on the route?)

[#Metro]

I know. But if they were going to put light rail down this stretch they would pull out all sorts of road alterations etc.
If the problem points can be identified and works done on them, the capacity can be increased. I agree that there is a problem in the off-peak with the frequency, and I think that should be extended; However in peak hour there is also a problem because people are being left behind,so something needs to be done about that too.

[somebody]

A "direct" service does not increase capacity and that is what is needed. If by "direct" you mean "via Ivory St" then every second 199 in peak already does this.

Yes, I mean via Ivory St.

True enough heading inbound, but a direct service employing the same resources would mean more frequency and therefore more capacity.

Not so sure it is true heading outbound.  If people use a 199 to get to the Valley from the CBD, that is a reduction in capacity available for people to get to New Farm.