Ipswich - Rosewood Line draft 2011 timetable feedback thread

[justanotheruser]

Extra 'timetable information' session now for Rosewood ...

Wednesday 15 December    5pm to 7pm    Rosewood RSL, 1 Mill Street, Rosewood

http://www.translink.com.au/travel-information/service-updates/queensland-rail-timetable-changes

This sounds like a pretend to care to me. After all if you really cared about listening to people you would not schedule a meeting when many who want to attend will just be finishing work or travelling home!!!! 

[ozbob]

Extra 'timetable information' session now for Rosewood ...

Wednesday 15 December    5pm to 7pm    Rosewood RSL, 1 Mill Street, Rosewood

http://www.translink.com.au/travel-information/service-updates/queensland-rail-timetable-changes

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I plan to attend this meeting today.

[somebody]

I don't understand the need for shuttles.  It is very poor public transport, especially because a 10 minute wait is timetabled IIRC.

[ozbob]

Outbound onboard SMU 264, transfer to the Rosewood shuttle at Ipswich.  They leave a few minutes for the change over.  Shuttles don't bother me out here.  Ipswich highway is a bit of a carpark, and looks like a cracker of a storm south.

[ozbob]

Guard announced train will wait here at Riverview for two minutes ...  must be ahead of time ..

:bi

[somebody]

Shuttles don't bother me out here. 

Really?  Expecting people to wait 10 minutes for a connecting service is in the same league as the difference between a 30 minute & 15 minute timetable.  Only with the latter problem, you can plan around it.

[ozbob]

Moved over to SMU271 waiting in platform 2 for the run to Rosewood.  TOs checking tickets shortly after leaving Ipswich.

Good pax loading, most pax were already onboard.

[colinw]

Outbound onboard SMU 264, transfer to the Rosewood shuttle at Ipswich.  They leave a few minutes for the change over.  Shuttles don't bother me out here.  Ipswich highway is a bit of a carpark, and looks like a cracker of a storm south.

Shuttles are fine if it is cross platform & minimal delay.  Its a while since I used the Rosewood train, but my recollection was that the delay outbound wasn't too bad.

That storm just came through here (Kuraby).  I was working from home today (telecommute via VPN).  Lucky!  It blew one of my model planes clear off the garage wall, and hung it by the control line lead-outs in the garage door mechanism.  Lucky I spotted it before we tried to operate the door or there would have been a crunch and many balsa fragments.  Some of the heaviest rain I've seen in a while - within minutes of it hitting there was several inches of water standing in the back yard.  I wouldn't be surprised if there's flash flooding.

[somebody]

Shuttles are fine if it is cross platform & minimal delay.  

That may be true, but ignoring the zero charm procedures, it doesn't actually save any notable crew time having an hourly shuttle vs half hourly through service.  Although it does increase the chance/effect of a delay heading inbound by having the longer service.

EDIT: I only caught the edge of that storm.  FWIW.

[Arnz]

What this suggests is that (some) trains during peak hour could run from Ipswich to Roma Street, stopping only at Indooroopilly and Toowong and then express to Roma Street. That's right- NO STOPS between Ipswich and Indooroopilly. We could have confidence that, over time, such a service would be hugely popular and be full departing Ipswich. After all, bullet buses and rocket buses get full in the peak hour, why not also a bullet express train then???

A "big" Ipswich express in peak hour would work better if the train continues to and from Rosewood, and that's taking the time taken to do "Zero Harm procedures" (e.g a second guard locks the back 3 carriages west of Ipswich) into consideration.

I would put more stops (taking the passenger loads into consideration).  Ipswich to Milton stopping Redbank, Indooroopilly and Toowong.

[colinw]

Given sufficient track capacity, and I believe there is, wouldn't it be better to run a full time Rosewood express service that would double as a full time Ipswich super-express?  Say a 3 car set, hourly, from Bowen Hills stopping @ Valley, Central, Roma St, Milton, Toowong, Indooroopilly, Darra, Ipswich then all to Rosewood?

I guess the question is whether it can be worked in with the other pattern of services, because expresses are "capacity hogs" on the diagram.

Mind you, I'd like to see something similar to Landsborough as well.

Failing that, go "two tier" and extend - on a half hourly pattern - a limited express (as far as Darra) all to Rosewood instead of Ipswich.

I am not a fan at all of these outer suburban runs like Rosewood taking 1:20 or longer to do an all stations grind, even without a change at Ipswich thrown in.  Shuttles are fine, if the location where the shuttle terminates is a destination in its own right.

The question is: "what is the purpose of the Rosewood line?"  Is it a local Ipswich service, an extension of the Ipswich suburban line, or an Interurban service?  Right now I'd say that bar a few peak hour runs, it is primarily the first - a local Ipswich service.  On the other hand, if the purpose of the Rosewood line is deemed to be an Ipswich extension or Interurban from Brisbane, then Ipswich & Rosewood darn well should be getting a regular express service.  I bet it would be popular!

[#Metro]

A "big" Ipswich express in peak hour would work better if the train continues to and from Rosewood, and that's taking the time taken to do "Zero Harm procedures" (e.g a second guard locks the back 3 carriages west of Ipswich) into consideration.

I would put more stops (taking the passenger loads into consideration).  Ipswich to Milton stopping Redbank, Indooroopilly and Toowong.

SUPER idea! 

Given sufficient track capacity, and I believe there is, wouldn't it be better to run a full time Rosewood express service that would double as a full time Ipswich super-express?  Say a 3 car set, hourly, from Bowen Hills stopping @ Valley, Central, Roma St, Milton, Toowong, Indooroopilly, Darra, Ipswich then all to Rosewood?

I guess the question is whether it can be worked in with the other pattern of services, because expresses are "capacity hogs" on the diagram.

Mind you, I'd like to see something similar to Landsborough as well.

Yes, it eats up track capacity. But it is also faster, MUCH faster.

If it is good enough for the Gold Coast line, why isn't it good enough for the Ipswich line?

[ozbob]

Heading back to Ipswich on SMU271 Rosewood Shuttle.

Good roll up at Rosewood, about 25 to 30.  School principals turned up to give direct feedback to the transport planners in attendance.  That was the main issue, the timings of the school services.  Apart from that, some individual time issues but overall fine.  Shuttle is not a concern to folks there tonight, what was a concern was that some thought 'shuttle' mean bus though.  That was finally put to bed.

Just passed a UP coalie on the Sadliers Crossing bridge ..

[Arnz]

Yes, it eats up track capacity. But it is also faster, MUCH faster.

If it is good enough for the Gold Coast line, why isn't it good enough for the Ipswich line?

Considering the ICEs are going to be seeing LESS work under the (currently being re-worked) Sunshine Coast timetable to be implemented sometime in 2011, a 4-car ICE being used for a hypothetical Ipswich/Rosewood 'super' express in the future would suit the seating capacity for Rosewood Line passengers (180 seated for a 4-car set).  

Yes, there are track "capacity" that would need to be sorted to fit in "big" expresses to Ipswich/Rosewood as mentioned earlier, but (excuse my ignorance, as I'm rarely out that way) has "power" capacity west of Corinda been sorted (by the way of a extra sub-station being built)?

[justanotheruser]

The question is: "what is the purpose of the Rosewood line?"  Is it a local Ipswich service, an extension of the Ipswich suburban line, or an Interurban service?  Right now I'd say that bar a few peak hour runs, it is primarily the first - a local Ipswich service.  On the other hand, if the purpose of the Rosewood line is deemed to be an Ipswich extension or Interurban from Brisbane, then Ipswich & Rosewood darn well should be getting a regular express service.  I bet it would be popular!

There are some buses from gatton that go to rosewood for the peak period just in case that affects anything in your view

[ozbob]

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Photographs R Dow 15th December 2010

[Stillwater]

Looks to be a large number of cars in the station car park, indicating good passenger usage.

[somebody]

Shuttle is not a concern to folks there tonight,

That surprises me.  Sounds like not many are commuting beyond Ipswich then.

[mufreight]

The question is: "what is the purpose of the Rosewood line?"  Is it a local Ipswich service, an extension of the Ipswich suburban line, or an Interurban service?  Right now I'd say that bar a few peak hour runs, it is primarily the first - a local Ipswich service.  On the other hand, if the purpose of the Rosewood line is deemed to be an Ipswich extension or Interurban from Brisbane, then Ipswich & Rosewood darn well should be getting a regular express service.  I bet it would be popular!

There are some buses from gatton that go to rosewood for the peak period just in case that affects anything in your view

The Rosewood line has to this time operated as both a local service and a feeder to the Brisbane services, the operation of the three car shuttle is effective due to the short platforms to the west of Ipswich
Over time the numbers of through passengers is increasing in keeping with the population growth in the Rosewood region and further west, it could be justified to extend the electrification and rail passenger services to Grandchester at this time and build stabling at Wulcraka, the platform there is long enough for the operation of six car trains although at the present time half of the platform is fenced off and growing weeds.  
Thomas Street station is overdue for a rebuild and the platforms there could also be extended towards the west to a six car length and raised at the same time to allow for the trains entering service from the stabling there to carry passengers without the delays currently brought about by the zero harm operating policies and proceedures for six car trains where there are short platforms.

[Cam]

Perhaps Translink have taken colinw's idea on board.

http://translink.com.au/travel-information/service-updates/queensland-rail-timetable-changes/ipswich-and-rosewood-line

two express services will travel from Rosewood to Milton, stopping only at Ipswich, Darra and Indooroopilly stations, then continue to the city

However, the draft timetable doesn't reflect this.

When the stabling yard at Redbank is completed & an updated timetable released, no doubt there will be services terminating & commencing at Redbank stopping all stations between Darra & Redbank. Ipswich services then may then become express between Darra & Redbank.

[somebody]

Perhaps Translink have taken colinw's idea on board.

http://translink.com.au/travel-information/service-updates/queensland-rail-timetable-changes/ipswich-and-rosewood-line

two express services will travel from Rosewood to Milton, stopping only at Ipswich, Darra and Indooroopilly stations, then continue to the city

However, the draft timetable doesn't reflect this.

When the stabling yard at Redbank is completed & an updated timetable released, no doubt there will be services terminating & commencing at Redbank stopping all stations between Darra & Redbank. Ipswich services then may then become express between Darra & Redbank.

That timetable is unchanged from the original draft.  I'd say that is just a poorly phrased remark about running express between Darra and Ipswich.