Bus improvements to capitalise on increased train frequency Darra to CBD

[ozbob]

What improvements could be made to utilise the improved services between Darra and CBD?  Both Indooroopilly and Darra are going to be 'hubs'.

Extending the 452 into Darra is one?  What else??

[ozbob]

A frequent direct bus service between Indooroopilly & UQ is required during peak periods otherwise there will be many calling for the express services to stop at Toowong.

cam
http://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=4867.msg39604#msg39604

[ozbob]

Given how short the 412 is, perhaps they could extend it to cover one of the 432/428/427 routes between Indro+beyond to UQ?

Golliwog
http://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=4867.msg39606#msg39606

[somebody]

452 already extends to Darra.

Perhaps extend the 104 into Darra?

101 & 102 IIRC don't need to serve Corinda anymore.

At Indro, there is really not much in the way of convenient places for bus stops.  I don't see much incentive for change here.  In fact, the major change I would make is run the 427 from Swann Rd/Clarence Rd straight in to Westminster Rd.  428 may as well follow.  I.e. make it harder to use these buses to change for a train.  That should be done at Toowong.  This would also get the buses out of the PM peak traffic heading toward the Indro bridge.

[ozbob]

Yes, I meant improving 452.

Any more?

[somebody]

I really like TT's proposed shake up of Jindalee/Riverhills/Mt Ommaney services, with one slight modification: Riverhills West service should run along Sumners Rd from Dandenong Rd rather than Horizon Dr IIRC.

[#Metro]

I really like TT's proposed shake up of Jindalee/Riverhills/Mt Ommaney services, with one slight modification: Riverhills West service should run along Sumners Rd from Dandenong Rd rather than Horizon Dr IIRC.

Thanks, its our proposal... lots of feedback went into it. We'll see what TL thinks...

BUZ 450 Dual Action
It's a BUZ and a high frequency feeder all in one... http://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=4448

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[Golliwog]

Somebody, the reason I suggested the 412 extension is because all the express trains won't be stopping at Toowong in the peak. Are all these students supposed to change trains at Darra or Indro? Plus theres already a lot of people who use the 427/428/432 to get to the Indro shopping center to interchange a any number of western suburbs services, IMO this should be encouraged. I would still think for many that transfering at Toowong would be easier/better but that could be tested. And if you spread the load between the two stations then wouldn't you be getting better utilisation of your buses and you could possible remove the 402 loop as you might not need the extra capacity Toowong-UQ.

I do see the point about there being no easy interchange location at Indro station though. Major downside of the upgrade.

[somebody]

There needs to be two routes for the west side of the highway.  Trying to compress it in to one route won't encourage patronage because it will be too slow.  The 450 is a yawn.

Somebody, the reason I suggested the 412 extension is because all the express trains won't be stopping at Toowong in the peak.

They need to change this.  I do not see a good reason for this service not to be offered.  Doesn't have to be every train for Milton/Toowong/Indooroopilly IMO.

[#Metro]

Bus Rapid Transit needs to be put on. This means bigger, bendy buses on route 412 BUZ, 450 BUZ and 428.
Darra station is going to be flooded with cars trying to take advantage of the 3.75 minute average frequency.
Car chaos around stations, here we come!

[ozbob]

TT there is already car chaos around Darra .. lol

Some folks may go back to Richlands.

I was in the car park yesterday and it is overflowing already. There is a another smaller one still be built on the Bowls club side but will not have much impact.

I would be very keen to find out what the go is for Richland buses.  I understand that some buses will be going onto Darra from Richlands.

Footnote:

I have just gone down to Darra, cars jammed in everywhere ...

[somebody]

This means bigger, bendy buses on route 412 BUZ, 450 BUZ and 428.

I disagree.

[Emmie]

For UQ students coming from Ipswich, changing at indooroopilly will work at some periods, but the road from the station to UQ is more congested than the 412 route, especially around 9 am and 3 pm because it passes several schools.

On the caboolture line, are they going to have to travel on to indooroopilly, or will there still be a toowong stop on the outward journey?

If shorncliffe is paired with Cleveland, then the change will be at Park / Boggo Road in future, which will reduce demand on the 402/412 from Toowong.

[somebody]

Emmie, I would have said the congestion approaching the Indooroopilly bridge would be a bigger factor than the schools.  Anyway, it doesn't really matter about the cause, it is just a bad idea.  And especially after just having upgraded the 402 & 412, these are likely to be relatively empty but the 427/428/432 will be packed.

A portion of the Cab/NBR/PET trains will continue on to Richlands or Ipswich, but no more than a 15 minute frequency will be provided.  These will stop at all stations.  At least it is clockface.

If Shorncliffe trains go on to Park Rd, that may reduce demand on the 402/412, but also increase UQ Lakes congestion.  Which is more critical?

I'm sorry ozbob, after waiting all this time, I expected far greater things.  And I am pretty annoyed about the retrograde step in making the Caboolture line all stop Northgate-Bowen Hills.

[ozbob]

I'm sorry ozbob, after waiting all this time, I expected far greater things.  And I am pretty annoyed about the retrograde step in making the Caboolture line all stop Northgate-Bowen Hills.

No worries at all, I think we all did.  But we make the most of what we got.  I intend to ask exactly why Northgate-Bowen Hills is as it is planned.  I suspect it might be due to signalling headways and the need to squeeze in the most paths?  Only guessing, anyway will ask.

I actually think Toowong needs to be in the express pattern. I am certain they will receive overwhelming feedback on that.  Are there any bus changes you would suggest if Toowong is included in the express pattern. I think they have enough time to include it.

[somebody]

No worries at all, I think we all did.  But we make the most of what we got.  I intend to ask exactly why Northgate-Bowen Hills is as it is planned.  I suspect it might be due to signalling headways and the need to squeeze in the most paths?  Only guessing, anyway will ask.

Yes, but they aren't thinking about the possibility of having all peak trains on the mains stop Bowen Hills, Eagle Junction, Northgate, and leave the other stations to be served by trains on the suburbans.  One major problem with this is in the PM when it is current impossible to access the middle road without a conflicting move.  I've mentioned the need for a crossover to solve this a number of times, but no-one seems to have noticed.

I actually think Toowong needs to be in the express pattern. I am certain they will receive overwhelming feedback on that.  Are there any bus changes you would suggest if Toowong is included in the express pattern. I think they have enough time to include it.

Only what I have said above about the 427/428.  Using a bus from Indro train station to UQ needs to be discouraged.

[david]

Footnote:

I have just gone down to Darra, cars jammed in everywhere ...

Hence the need for quality, BUZ-frequency feeder services to Darra Station. Targeting the Centenary Suburbs will be key. Bring on that 450 BUZ idea!

I think people travelling from the Inala/Durack area will start to ease the burden on Darra once Richlands opens. Then again, the frequency at Richlands will be terrible hence the need for quality services from the Inala/Durack area to Darra as well.

[somebody]

Hence the need for quality, BUZ-frequency feeder services to Darra Station. Targeting the Centenary Suburbs will be key. Bring on that 450 BUZ idea!

I still like TT ideas in here: http://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=4448.0
much, much better.

A 450 BUZ extending to Darra needs to do the snaky bit through Jindalee, and then double back on itself at Riverhills.  Both undesirable aspects.  Maybe there should be a poll.

[#Metro]

I don't mind really either way as long as there is a 450 BUZ and it connects to Darra Station somehow. 

For those wondering why the snakey bit (horizon drive) is there, the explanation for that is:

1. If you miss out Horizon Drive, you miss out a lot of people. There are heaps of people there, so BUZ along that route seems to make sense. For those people, the trip might (?) be faster if they went to Darra Station.

2. A BUZ heading towards Darra station from the CBD will be progressively losing passengers, however, it will counter-balance this by picking up passengers
who are heading to Darra Station (who have towards CBD or towards Ipswich line destinations). So the bus will always have people on it.

3. The BUZ still would need to be relatively fast, so the bit through Jindalee was swapped off the green route by exchanging that "snakey" Jindalee section
with the red route.

Ultimately, it would have been better had the suburb's road layout had been designed so that snaky routes didn't eventuate. Oh well. 

But, mix and match as you like! If people have their own diagrams, post them :-)

[somebody]

For those wondering why the snakey bit (horizon drive) is there, the explanation for that is:

I was referring to the "snakey" bit of the 450 through Jindalee.  I.e. north of Mt Ommaney shops.

[#Metro]

I was referring to the "snakey" bit of the 450 through Jindalee.  I.e. north of Mt Ommaney shops.

http://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=4448

... not really sure if I understand your post Somebody...

The green section is one idea for a potential BUZ 450. It's drawn as using Yallambe Road because that is more direct.
The only way to make this more direct would be to run via Centenary Hwy and miss DFO...
I've tried to avoid a situation where there are two loopy bits are in the one route.

The green route is the idea for the BUZ.
The red route is a standard bus service.

I haven't put the red and green route as both using Dandenong and Sumners Road
as an odd situation where you have citybound buses on opposite sides of the street would occur.
That would be highly confusing and would split the frequency.

Does this help??

[somebody]

I'm thinking of the CURRENT 450 which has a snakey routing.  There needs to be revised routings for the 45x.  Everyone agrees with that, I think.