Media Release: New park ‘n’ ride at Jindalee

[Golliwog]

http://www.translink.com.au/mediarelease.php?id=179
New park 'n' ride at Jindalee
Monday 9 August 2010

Residents will have a better and safer commute from Jindalee thanks to a new $4 million park 'n' ride facility to be built early next year.

Member for Mount Ommaney Julie Attwood said the park 'n' ride would soon be built on the corner of Sinnamon, Yallambee and Kooringal Roads in Jindalee.

"This new facility will accommodate parking for about 70 cars," Ms Attwood said.

"A number of options for the new facility were considered, but the former petrol station site was preferred due to its easy access, central location and proximity to local shops.

"The design will include an easy pedestrian link from the new park 'n' ride to upgraded bus stops immediately adjacent to the facility on Sinnamon Road."

The new facility will feature:

    * About 70 car parking bays including spaces for people with disabilities
    * Motorcycle parking bays
    * Cyclist facilities
    * Security lighting and closed circuit television monitoring
    * Landscaping.

Ms Attwood said the new park 'n' ride was being funded under the TransLink Station Upgrade Program (TSUP).

"TransLink has identified Jindalee as a priority site for park 'n' ride facilities across South East Queensland," she said.

"It's important that these kinds of facilities are developed outside the CBD and inner-fringe areas and I'm delighted that my constituents will have access to such a convenient resource.

"The project is subject to development approval by Brisbane City Council and construction is expected to start in the second half of 2011.

"The community will be kept informed throughout the planning and construction of the project and any associated construction impacts."

Since 2007, the State Government has delivered more than 1300 additional car parking spaces throughout the TransLink network, bringing the total number of commuter car parks to more than 21,000.

For further details on public transport, visit the TransLink website www.translink.com.au or phone the Call Centre on 13 12 30.



There's a map on this page:
http://www.translink.com.au/jindaleeupgrade.php

Where: The Jindalee park 'n' ride will be situated on the corner of Sinnamon, Yallambee and Kooringal roads in Jindalee.
Investment: $4 million
Planning & Design Timeframes: From mid 2010 to mid 2011
Construction Timeframes: From mid to late 2011
Contact us: Phone 1800 192 112* (freecall)
* Higher call rates apply from mobile phones and pay phones. STD rates will apply if calling outside of Queensland.
Email jindalee@tmr.qld.gov.au

What the Jindalee park 'n' ride will provide

    * parking for approximately 70 cars, including spaces for people with a disability
    * motorcycle parking bays
    * a pedestrian link from the new park 'n' ride to the bus stops near the facility on Sinnamon Road.
    * better access for walkers and cyclists (there's even bicycle storage)
    * landscaping using drought resistant plants
    * a safe parking area with security cameras and lighting.

This means people can safely park their cars and transfer to bus services to complete their journey. This encourages more people to use public transport for most of their journey.

What is the current status of the project?

The Jindalee park 'n' ride is currently in the concept design stage. TransLink will keep the community informed throughout the project via newsletters and advertising. The community will be invited to provide feedback on the design by telephone or email to the project team.
Any changes to current services?

One of the benefits of building the park 'n' ride on this site is that there are already bus stops located nearby. The inbound bus stop is located on Yallambee Road and the outbound bus stop located on Sinnamon Road.

Routes 450, 453, P456, 457 and 458 already service these bus stops as follows:

    * 450 (Riverhills/Mt Ommaney to City) operates on weekends and public holidays approximately every half hour
    * 453 (Mt Ommaney to City) operates all day approximately every half hour during weekdays
    * P456 (Mt Ommaney to City) operates in morning and afternoon peak times
    * P457 (Riverhills to City) operates in morning and afternoon peak times
    * P458 (Mt Ommaney to City) operates in the morning and afternoon peak times.

If there are any changes to services when the park 'n' ride opens, passengers will be informed prior to the changes being implemented.

[#Metro]

70 parking spaces.
That is enough to fill a grand total of 1 bus, with 5 passengers put on a second bus.
Way to go!!! How much did this cost? $57, 000 per car park.

You could buy 70 people a brand new car for that amount, or two depending on the model.
You could buy 3 or 4 brand new feeder buses for this amount.

Routes 450, 453, P456, 457 and 458 already service these bus stops as follows:

   * 450 (Riverhills/Mt Ommaney to City) operates on weekends and public holidays approximately every half hour
   * 453 (Mt Ommaney to City) operates all day approximately every half hour during weekdays
   * P456 (Mt Ommaney to City) operates in morning and afternoon peak times
   * P457 (Riverhills to City) operates in morning and afternoon peak times
   * P458 (Mt Ommaney to City) operates in the morning and afternoon peak times.

There is no need for any of these buses to use coronation drive, milton road or the western freeway if proper interchanges were in place on the Ipswich line.

Feeder buses to rail!   When will it sink in?
  Feed me!            

[somebody]

Ouch!! What a waste of money.  There's nowhere in Jindalee which doesn't have an easy walk to the 450/453.

[#Metro]

I can't believe that funds marked for PT can somehow still be spent on cars.
Unbelieveable!

[colinw]

That's the way transport policy works in the sunny north. Good intentions & promises go in to the transport bureaucracy, bitumen, car parks & road upgrades come out the other side ...

[beauyboy]

Turning it (450) into a BUZ would of given better patronage increases at less expense .

Oh wait that is to sensible!

Donald

[#Metro]

All of the buses in the morning are a confusion and tangle of bamboozling rocket routes with all sorts of variations in the route.
Time for a regular, predictable BUZ or BUZ like feeder to a rail station.

Maybe there can be three BUZ routes down Coronation drive- 412, 444 and 450, with the rockets turned into feeder buses terminating at Indooroopilly Rail Interchange (yet to be built!). A skip-stop operation would make sure that all the bus stops were covered on Coronation drive with at least one high frequency bus.

[somebody]

Turning it (450) into a BUZ would of given better patronage increases at less expense .

I wouldn't say less expense.  What's the annual budget for the CityGlider?  Multi-million p.a. I'm sure.  The 450 is a far longer route, so more expensive.  The thing here is that there is almost no bang for the buck.  Seems to only make sense to use it if you are coming from the other side of the freeway.

All of the buses in the morning are a confusion and tangle of bamboozling rocket routes with all sorts of variations in the route.
Time for a regular, predictable BUZ or BUZ like feeder to a rail station.

Maybe there can be three BUZ routes down Coronation drive- 412, 444 and 450, with the rockets turned into feeder buses terminating at Indooroopilly Rail Interchange (yet to be built!). A skip-stop operation would make sure that all the bus stops were covered on Coronation drive with at least one high frequency bus.

I wouldn't like a skip-stop.  Even at 15 minute frequency, there is still a sizeable wait for a service, and it isn't too onerous to walk to the nearest express stop.

[#Metro]

I wouldn't say less expense.  What's the annual budget for the CityGlider?  Multi-million p.a. I'm sure.  The 450 is a far longer route, so more expensive.  The thing here is that there is almost no bang for the buck.  Seems to only make sense to use it if you are coming from the other side of the freeway.

If length is the issue, chop the route and terminate it at a railway station to become a feeder bus.
The funds released can then be fed back into the route to boost the frequency and reduce waiting time at the bus stop.

What is certain is that so many car parks are not that good idea!

I wouldn't like a skip-stop.  Even at 15 minute frequency, there is still a sizeable wait for a service, and it isn't too onerous to walk to the nearest express stop.

We can tweak around with these things. The CityGlider has stops every 800 meters or so.

[beauyboy]

Well the last Bus upgrade cost $5million and that included the upgrading of the 412 to BUZ.
While I understand the 450 is a far longer route I still stand by the statement in the long run a 450BUZ would be cheaper and increase patronage.

A park and Ride only really beneffits car driving adults, not to forget they are a scar on urban environments acting like heat sinks increasing urban temperatures. opps almost started to ramble

Donald

[#Metro]

Well the last Bus upgrade cost $5million and that included the upgrading of the 412 to BUZ.
While I understand the 450 is a far longer route I still stand by the statement in the long run a 450BUZ would be cheaper and increase patronage.

Thanks for this. Spending $4 million on a car park that will increase patronage by 1.07 buses, is a very poor return on a $4 million dollar 'investment' when this could be spent on a BUZ or BUZ feeder service to rail that will put far more buses, far more capacity, far more frequency and attract far more patronage than 70 car parks ever could.

[somebody]

Well the last Bus upgrade cost $5million and that included the upgrading of the 412 to BUZ.

The point I was making is that was $5m p.a.  The park 'n' ride is $4m once.  Still, I'm not sure why they think park 'n' rides are bang for buck?  No doubt that they know they aren't, but believe they are politically popular.

[#Metro]

http://www.carsguide.com.au/site/search/vehicle-details/New_732701620090501/@N=4294962119&origin=browse&Nf=pPrice|BTWN%2025001%2050000&type=cars&searchType=5&vehicleType=5&pos=8&pr=D_14241109&nr=New_47711320090501

You can give 70 people a new Italian luxury car- a 2010 ALFA ROMEO 147 1.9 JTD for the cost of each one of those car parks and still have cash left over. An Alfa Romeo is $39 990 on carsguide.com.au

[Golliwog]

We get that its expensive per carpark TT, but as has been pointed out this is $4M once, where as the latest bus frequency upgrade and set of changes will be costing $5M per year. I can't be bothered and I think it would be pointless to go measure out how many cars you could buy for each bus run. But a point that should be made is that people DO use park and rides. They may not actually be people from the area that use it but people will. And you may argue that this $4M could be spent on upgrading bus or rail frequency, but it can't be guaranteed to do that as we have no idea what TL's budgets are like so this $4M may not even be available next year, so after the money runs out you'd have to drop back the frequency again. I'm most certainly not arguing against improving services but I'm not going to be trying to advocate for services that would have to stop running after a year unless they can pull some more cash out of thin air.

[#Metro]

But when you increase the frequency to BUZ standard, you increase the patronage. By 100-300%.
And the more people that get on buses and on trains,
the more paying passengers there are, which will further reduce the cost per passenger km.

If I suspect, route 199 is running surpluses.

If you do feeder services, you save money on each run, because each bus is not traveling down Coronation Drive.

It might have been cheaper to get 18 alfa romeos, with a driver for each to drive around Jindalee at high frequency and pick up 70+ passengers and take them to the railway station...