170 becomes Busway Feeder

[beauyboy]

Evening all. I would just like to put this idea out there.
With Culture Center reaching capacity how about the idea of terminating the 170 at Holland Park West Busway station and having people catch a Busway service into town. The 170 would run in below the station and people could use the lift up to catch say the 111, 160, 555 etc. Then use the released capacity to bump the ferquency of the 170 up to every 8 minutes in peak and every 15 off peak.
Holland Park West is one of the few stations where this could work and could start the trunk feeder service

Donald

[Gazza]

Eh, tough one, peak I dunno since at 4bph its probably doing alright.
Certainly offpeak and weekends you could do it.

[beauyboy]

The thing is this would be 4 less bus an hour going through Buranda as well. I saw a Bus jam over 20 buses long stretching out from Buranda this morning. The whole busway is at capacity and some routes that could be easily shortened and upgraded may just pull that straw from the camels back.

But yes it is a tricky one. Yes some people may dislike the idea of having to change but increased frequency should "SHOULD" counter balance the displeasure.
Time wise it would shortern the route almost in half so hopefully being cost nutural

Donald

[Gazza]

It really depends on how busy it is in peak. If it gets filled up before even reaching Greenslopes then I wouldn't touch it.

[#Metro]

Route 170, 171 and P176 should be abolished.

Abolish 174 and incorporate all that into a new, simplified BUZ 175 that runs straight down Logan Road to Garden City. No screwing around.

A 174 rocket service could operate along the current 170 route in peak hour only.

A BUZ could also be placed down Cavendish Road and Newham Road.

Nice, simple and direct. Time to prune out all these legacy routes, & simplify the entire network. Failure to do this will result in a very bushy apple tree with lots of deadwood.

Sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind - CUT!!

[#Metro]

Google Maps southside grid

[somebody]

If a full bus load gets off and boards another bus then where is the advantage?

[#Metro]

If a full bus load gets off and boards another bus then where is the advantage?

What if they all board P88. Plenty room there 

[Gazza]

If a full bus load gets off and boards another bus then where is the advantage?

When we've spoken of the concept of cutting short routes, I've always said that I'm cool with them running all the way to the CBD in peak, as a rocket, if they are getting filled up anyway. As you said, no point mving a full load from one bus to the other.

The 161 does this model precisely, but it fails because when in feeder mode, its only hourly 

[beauyboy]

But there is advantage if a full load of 12m bus get off then board a 14.5m, bendy or a Double decker .
If that was to happen with an increased frequency it would prove the idea is a success.

But whos to say those people would be all heading towards the CBD some may be heading south .
The thing is I am not proposing the removal of the direct peak hour duplicate routes eg176 just cutting the 170 to Holland Park West.

Donald

[#Metro]

The 161 does this model precisely, but it fails because when in feeder mode, its only hourly

How ridiculous is that? No wonder feeder services "don't work". It would be faster to walk to garden city from Wishart.
Why bother running services like this.

But there is advantage if a full load of 12m bus get off then board a 14.5m, bendy or a Double decker Bus.
If that was to happen with an increased frequency it would prove the idea is a success.

Yes and the other thing - it can spread the load between P88/160/555/111/whatever else serves that station.

What routes have TransLink cut back? The Chainsaw and the Scrapper are necessary tools as part of a well kept and pruned
network. It would be awful to see legacy routes and legacy routing set in concrete because these routes were BUZzed. Cut & steam iron!

They haven't cut 598/599 between Garden City and Carindale, haven't cut the 461, haven't cut 105 etc...

[somebody]

One other problem with this idea: It would leave the Wellers Hill stop unserved outside of peak.  Arguably not a huge issue, but others would argue it is.

[Gazza]

How ridiculous is that? No wonder feeder services "don't work". It would be faster to walk to garden city from Wishart.
Why bother running services like this.

Or walk to 8MP!
http://translink.com.au/resources/travel-information/services-and-timetables/timetables/100222_161.pdf

Basically, the route exists to service a little pocket of Suburbia that due to the geography of the area is sort of an island:
http://g.co/maps/bawpx

To get from Garden City on the bus to here takes 5 mins according to the timetable.
Funny little area, its easy to service at least.

Logically, what I'd do is, instead of looping back after going around nardie st, just continue south into 8mp station.
At a mere 4km long, it should be cheap as chips to run. You could double the frequency from the current half hourly peak/hourly off peak and be providing a massivley better service (Catch to 8mp and wait an average of 5 min for a connection, at a much lower cost to taxpayers than the current 15km route.

[#Metro]

What? So these people get their own personal rocket bus in peak hour?
This is a good idea Gazza. Terminate it at 8MP - they can transfer to heaps of other routes there.

Also - note the lovely big park and ride facility 

[Mr X]

Not everyone can drive, TT 

[SurfRail]

How ridiculous is that? No wonder feeder services "don't work". It would be faster to walk to garden city from Wishart.
Why bother running services like this.

Or walk to 8MP!
http://translink.com.au/resources/travel-information/services-and-timetables/timetables/100222_161.pdf

Basically, the route exists to service a little pocket of Suburbia that due to the geography of the area is sort of an island:
http://g.co/maps/bawpx

To get from Garden City on the bus to here takes 5 mins according to the timetable.
Funny little area, its easy to service at least.

Logically, what I'd do is, instead of looping back after going around nardie st, just continue south into 8mp station.
At a mere 4km long, it should be cheap as chips to run. You could double the frequency from the current half hourly peak/hourly off peak and be providing a massivley better service (Catch to 8mp and wait an average of 5 min for a connection, at a much lower cost to taxpayers than the current 15km route.

161 frequency could be massively improved by just using the existing weekend route full-time, to take the "conservative" view.

[MaxHeadway]

Logically, what I'd do [with the 161] is, instead of looping back after going around nardie st, just continue south into 8mp station.

But if someone wants to go to Garden City, they'll simply catch the northbound 161. If going further afield, they can hop on a busway service at Garden City; no need to use Eight Mile Plains. Perhaps the 161 could be extended to the southern end of Holmead Rd, and on to a node such as Springwood or Sunnybank, so you have demand-generators at both ends of the route.