T2 Lanes for Riverside Expressway

[#Metro]

Caught a rocket out of the city today.

There are a lot of people on the street- an underground metro in the city would take a lot of those people underground and free up space on the surface. Free Loop Bus is just not good enough.

The bus went through the city, off the ramp and into the sea of traffic. Buses got caught up in the traffic.

I think a T2 lane should be declared for the far left of the riverside expressway to allow the buses to get to the on-ramp.
For the long term, a bridge or dedicated busway should be built and a station at the Border of the QUT/Parliament/Botanic Gardens.

[Jon Bryant]

A lane each way on all major roads should be converted to a transit/ bus lane.  Quick win, a more efficient bus fleet, moving more people, more efficiently. A bus is 40 times more efficient at moving people so give it 40 % of the oad space now!!!!! Remember Walk, Ride, Public Transport then Cars!!!! Let's start the W.R.PT.C campaign.

[stephenk]

A lane each way on all major roads should be converted to a transit/ bus lane.  Quick win, a more efficient bus fleet, moving more people, more efficiently. A bus is 40 times more efficient at moving people so give it 40 % of the oad space now!!!!! Remember Walk, Ride, Public Transport then Cars!!!! Let's start the W.R.PT.C campaign.

Firstly, not all major roads have 2 clear lanes in each direction for conversion to a transit/bus lane.

Secondly, to replace a traffic lane with a bus only lane is only justifiable if the bus lane is going to be well used by public transport. A traffic lane can handle 2000 cars/hour which would be approx. 2600 passengers. That would require 52 buses/hour with 50 passengers each to match the traffic lanes passenger capacity. As you can see, a bus only lane is difficult to justify unless there are very frequent buses along the route. If the buses are not so frequent, then the lane would be better used as a transit lane such as a T2 lane for cars with more than one occupant, taxis, buses, and two seat unicycles.

[#Metro]

Until there is sectorisation on the road, there won't be much point in catching PT because the edge given by speed will be eaten away by other road traffic congestion.

Transit lanes are already in operation on the SE Freeway- the areas that are not crowded.
A T2 lane is viable on the riverside expressway, even if it is only during peak hour. With more and more buses using the SE Busway, we should be thinking of an alternative entry portal into the City: I'm thinking The Gabba-Kangaroo PT-Bridge-QUT/Parliament.

[Jon Bryant]

A lane each way on all major roads should be converted to a transit/ bus lane.  Quick win, a more efficient bus fleet, moving more people, more efficiently. A bus is 40 times more efficient at moving people so give it 40 % of the oad space now!!!!! Remember Walk, Ride, Public Transport then Cars!!!! Let's start the W.R.PT.C campaign.

Firstly, not all major roads have 2 clear lanes in each direction for conversion to a transit/bus lane.

Secondly, to replace a traffic lane with a bus only lane is only justifiable if the bus lane is going to be well used by public transport. A traffic lane can handle 2000 cars/hour which would be approx. 2600 passengers. That would require 52 buses/hour with 50 passengers each to match the traffic lanes passenger capacity. As you can see, a bus only lane is difficult to justify unless there are very frequent buses along the route. If the buses are not so frequent, then the lane would be better used as a transit lane such as a T2 lane for cars with more than one occupant, taxis, buses, and two seat unicycles.

1. A good majority of our major roads are at least 2 lanes each way.  There are a few that are not and they are likely to be on the outskirts.  Our local governments and Main Roads have done a good job recently of bashing a second lane if not a third through most areas (with never a tree planted).
2. If the car lane is so good then why can a single lane each-way Bus Way move as manay people as 3 lanes of freeway.  It has to do with frequency as you say but the existing bus-way does not have 156 buses/hour so someones maths is wrong.
3. Average occupancy of cars in Brisbane is about 1.2 or a little less not 1.3.
3. The bus lanes themselves increase frequency because the same bus can do multiple trips per peak hour rather than sit in traffic thus having better utilisation of my tax payers money.
4.  There is more to it than passenger numbers including stopping car usage growth, urban sprawl, air pollution, road deats, pedestrian accidents, sending the right message to road users.

We need a fundamental chnage in transport behaviour not little fiddle here a little fiddle there.  Step change is required!!

[#Metro]

There were plans somewhere for a Bridge from Kangaroo Pt to the CBD (a pedestrian bridge) as part of TransApex or something like that. A broken yellow line appears in the ICRCS where this is.

Such a Bridge could be a green bridge carrying buses, bicycles and pedestrians into a station at QUT Gardens Pt/Botanic Gardens and exiting onto George and Alice Sts. Route 555 could be re-routed and become the spine for that portal entry into the city.

But why stop there- kill 3 birds with one stone- make it LRT compatible and we might not have to build the Adelaide St bridge.

[somebody]

I thought those figures were more like 1500/cars/lane/hour for 1800 people/lane/hour.  Still that does require 36 buses/hour if 50 people/bus is the average loading.  I'm not sure if even Coro gets quite that many in peak: It's about providing incentive to use PT.

[beauyboy]

Legally a motorist must not tailgate another vehicle. Therefore that means one car every 2 seconds, so even if you discount the car's length that is a maximum of 1800 cars per hour per lane or approximately 2000 people going from the 1.2 people per car figure.
or a simpler way is 30 cars per miniute
so as long as you have around one bus every 2 minutes the lane weather T2 of Bus would be justifiable

Donald

[curator49]

Our Lord Mayor eliminated the bus lane on Coro Drive a couple of years ago saying it was causing too much congestion and the buses would not lose much time in peak on that road.

[somebody]

Our Lord Mayor eliminated the bus lane on Coro Drive a couple of years ago saying it was causing too much congestion and the buses would not lose much time in peak on that road.

I knew that our moronic LM said it caused too much congestion, but did he really say that buses wouldn't lose much time in peak?
BTW, peak time bus numbers are something like (OTOH):
6 444s
6 443s
4 411s
4 412s
2 416s
2 417s
1 425
1 430
1 433
1 435
1 445
2 453s
2 454s
2 460s
4 457/458/459

Total: 39 or so.  That doesn't count 426/431/446/455/456/461 rockets which stick to Milton Rd

[#Metro]

That is roughly 1 bus every 90 seconds.
Bus lanes or busway please. Even a tunnel underneath Milton and Toowong would do it.

[somebody]

If anyone is interested, the hourly bus numbers on Mains Rd are (by my quick count):
8 139s
6 140s
6 141s
6 137s
2 136s
12 133s
6 131s
6 130s
6 129s
2 151s

60/hour!  Getting the outbound transit/bus lane here after the 3rd lane is added on Mains Rd is nearly as big a priority as getting the bus lane on Coro.