Article: Brisbane needs Dubai-scale high rise boom: Opposition

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Brisbane needs Dubai-scale high rise boom: Opposition

Brisbane needs Dubai-scale high rise boom: Opposition
TONY MOORE
January 12, 2010 - 12:17PM

Brisbane will need an apartment building boom on the scale of Dubai if it is to accommodate a forecasted growth in population by 2030, the State Opposition claims.

The Liberal National Party's infrastructure spokesman David Gibson said the government's planning blueprint, the South East Queensland Regional Plan, was too focused on numbers and did not help local council find ways to squeeze people in.

According to the plan, a further 754,000 dwellings were needed for South East Queensland, between 2006 and 2031, with 21 per cent - or 156,000 - of those required in the Brisbane City Council area.

Mr Gibson said this piled the pressure on the Brisbane City Council to accommodate growth in a restricted space and would require a massive building rush to meet the forecasts.

"Of the new dwellings that are required in that plan about half fall to infill or medium to high rise development," Mr Gibson said.

"When you look at the Brisbane City Council area it is a lot higher than half. By memory it is about 80 per cent."

The South East Queensland Regional Plan slates 138,000 of Brisbane's 156,000 new dwellings as "redevelopment or infill" around existing buildings and infrastructure.

"In the plan that looks fine," Mr Gibson said. "We need all these transit-orientated developments."

However, he estimated as many as 1725 20-storey buildings would need to be built before 2031 in order to cope.

"It is areas like Indooroopilly, Chermside, Mt Gravatt that are designated to do it," he said.

The plan also nominates the Brisbane CBD, Carindale, Toombul, Mitchelton, Wynnum Central and Toowong.

Mr Gibson said the difficulty was finding the land in these areas to build thousands more apartments.

"You go through street by street and you identify where you can build 82 new 20-storey building every year for the next 21 years and the land is not there right now," he said.

"We are not even building at that rate [now]. We would have to achieve a Dubai-scale building of apartments just to get the numbers in the South East Queensland Regional Plan achieved."

He said unless the State Government had a plan to compulsory acquire land the population figures would not be reached.

But Queensland's Infrastructure Minister Stirling Hinchliffe said the issue was more than building towers.

"Infill and higher density isn't just about towers. It's about a range of option," he told The Australian newspaper this morning.

Comment is being sought from Brisbane City Council.

[longboi]

Stirling is right, infill development isn't just big high-rises which seems to be a common misconception. It can be as simple as duplexing a house or subdividing a piece of land and building another property.

[#Metro]

It can be like townhouses.
We need that metro NOW!

Hopefully they can put density near the busway and then we can get Light Rail!

But Queensland's Infrastructure Minister Stirling Hinchliffe said the issue was more than building towers.
"Infill and higher density isn't just about towers. It's about a range of option," he told The Australian newspaper this morning.

Er. What options? Need more detail than 1 sentence.

[Jon Bryant]

Every suburb across the SEQ Region should have a mix of housing types, with higher density near/in local ships, transit stops and other commercial areas.  The major centres should be have higher density again with the mixed use centres.  Our suburbs are low density with large houses.  There is ample room to increase density and well designed as well. 

Article is 1980 scare mongering!!   

[#Metro]

We should have a design competition.
We hear a lot of "more people are coming, bigger buildings are coming" blah blah blah.
When do we see the designs?

[mufreight]

The high density shoe box style of living does not suit many hence they prefer to live a semi rural lifestyle, do you propose that the government which they elect should now in some Orwellian style dictate how and where we should live and that as residents of this state we should surrender another of our freedoms and our lifestyle.

[Jon Bryant]

People have in fact been screaming out for a wider choice in housing across the whole region for more than 20 years but poor planning and good ol scare mongering has forced them to buy bigger houses further away from their work. The result is a very inefficient, car oriented ugly city where people are placed second to the car.   

[#Metro]

Semi-rural lifestyle? Er. This is a City... the state capital of Queensland...
Hobart or Canberra are semi-rural...

The high density shoe box style of living does not suit many hence they prefer to live a semi rural lifestyle, do you propose that the government which they elect should now in some Orwellian style dictate how and where we should live and that as residents of this state we should surrender another of our freedoms and our lifestyle.

They already do dictate how we live. Its called zoning, height regulations, new dwelling quota, land tax and public transport accessibility. Higher density does not mean a 1970 brick shoebox. We have computers and designers these days. I would love to live in the apartments at Tennyson or West End.

[O_128]

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=48871107#post48871107
This is how we should be building new estates if we really have to.

[longboi]

The high density shoe box style of living does not suit many hence they prefer to live a semi rural lifestyle, do you propose that the government which they elect should now in some Orwellian style dictate how and where we should live and that as residents of this state we should surrender another of our freedoms and our lifestyle.

If someone wants to live a semi rural lifestyle, they shouldn't be living in Brisbane.

[#Metro]

Thanks for the link O_128

IMHO the density is right but the design isn't.
The monotonic repetition and "sameness" of everything didn't appeal to me.
We can build nicer buildings with less uniformity.

We can have increased density without becoming Gold Coast III (Gold Coast II is the Sunshine Coast)

[O_128]

Thanks for the link O_128

IMHO the density is right but the design isn't.
The monotonic repetition and "sameness" of everything didn't appeal to me.
We can build nicer buildings with less uniformity.

We can have increased density without becoming Gold Coast III (Gold Coast II is the Sunshine Coast)

Of course the design can change but this is what we should be building instead of those horrible estates getting built now. The barracks at cannon hill is a good example.http://www.thebarrackscannonhill.com.au/.

also i want these bike lanes in brisbane.

[#Metro]

The Cannon Hill one looks very good! Not a single house- all high density, but not highrise either.
Thanks for the link...

... and the group behind it is a TOD developer- the first I have heard.
TL is way behind...

[O_128]

The Cannon Hill one looks very good! Not a single house- all high density, but not highrise either.
Thanks for the link...

... and the group behind it is a TOD developer- the first I have heard.
TL is way behind...

I wouldnt be surprised if Cannon hill gets a proposal for a TOD in the next few years. Its already a major station in peak aswell as off peak. The southgate business park is next to it (same developer as emporium and the buranda TOD) and a gradual densifaction of the area.

[#Metro]

Buranda TOD....

O_128 I, did a search and found plans that are just amazing!
You have to see this!
http://www.skyscraperlife.com/queensland-main-forum/16644-proposed-boulevard-buranda-tod-16f-28f-24f-29f-32f-mixed-use-4.html

100x better than what is there already. Hopefully they won't knock the homes down, but will transport them off site and store them.

Lets get TODs BUZzing...

[O_128]

Buranda TOD....

O_128 I, did a search and found plans that are just amazing!
You have to see this!
http://www.skyscraperlife.com/queensland-main-forum/16644-proposed-boulevard-buranda-tod-16f-28f-24f-29f-32f-mixed-use-4.html

100x better than what is there already. Hopefully they won't knock the homes down, but will transport them off site and store them.

Lets get TODs BUZzing...

It will be stunning and is in a perfect location. It will set the standard for TODs across the city. Construction should start late this year or the middle of 2011 by the latest.