Consolidation of busway routes: 111 or 160?

[somebody]

One thing I'm sure we would all agree on is that the 111 and 160 should be combined into a single route.  Obviously, if that were to be the 160 it would have to re-route to 8 mile plains rather than the Garden City depot stop.

My question is which would be better? If the 111 that uses up a KGSBS stop that could otherwise be used for north/west routes, but if you say the 160 then that means it doesn't connect to Roma St station and it also uses up a QSBS stop which could be used for a south side route (or a west side route post Go Between bridge).

[#Metro]

I think 160 should be combined with 555 not 111.
But then QSBS is BCC controlled, not TL controlled IIRC.

[Golliwog]

Why not all 3 together? Although isn't the 555 a non-BCC bus service? Wouldn't this cause issues if you tried to have 2 different operators run it together? Especially given BCC whined recently about their buses being used by non-Brisbane residents.

[somebody]

My understanding is that QSBS & KGSBS are now both under state control.

My main problem with consolidating the 555 to is that I think it really should have a Captain Cook Bridge routing.  So there needs to be a frequent all stops route as well. Also, the 555 has street routing which would reduce it's reliability, not to mention getting the required frequency would be expensive with such a long route.

[stephenk]

There is still plenty of capacity at KGBS and Roma St Busway for extra services.

[somebody]

There is still plenty of capacity at KGBS and Roma St Busway for extra services.

Less than what is required though.  You'd really want the 350-2, 357, 359, 390, 425, 430, 433, 435, 445, 450, 453, 454, 460 in there.

Perhaps the 3xx ones could be squeezed in to the last stop at KGSBS, but I seriously doubt all the 4xx services listed could fit.

[Jon Bryant]

Why not all 3 together? Although isn't the 555 a non-BCC bus service? Wouldn't this cause issues if you tried to have 2 different operators run it together? Especially given BCC whined recently about their buses being used by non-Brisbane residents.

different operators should be able to run a single service by being responsible for certain times/runs on the route but could b. Hard to manage.  I want the 111 to combine with the 333 and 555 to connect Chermisde to Beenleigh in busway and bus lane to ensure service reliability with a 77 doing same route but bypassing the CBD. 

[#Metro]

Why not all 3 together? Although isn't the 555 a non-BCC bus service? Wouldn't this cause issues if you tried to have 2 different operators run it together? Especially given BCC whined recently about their buses being used by non-Brisbane residents.

In a perfect world, it shouldn't matter who the operator is or what the colours on the bus are as long as the service is run.

160 + 555 both pick up substantial loads from the QSBS and Myer Centre, enough to justify their own separate route.
Combining all three would be tricky as some form of loop would have to be devised for the QSBS and KGS connection. Not to mention that horrible "snake" tunnel entrance in the QSBS where the buses have to go extra slow to avoid hitting the walls.
160 and 555 should be combined as they pick up from more or less the same location- people in the QSBS/Myer Centre.
Indeed 160 could be removed altogether and replaced with a more frequent 'superbus' 555 which uses the QSBS.

A combined 333 + 111 could be looked at. If it is frequent enough, passengers would have a hard time telling if their bus was late or not as the bus would be every 5 minutes in peak hour. But only when the busway goes all the way to Chermside. You don't want to be stuck in traffic on Gympie Road like I was. It takes forever to crawl to Chermside in peak hour.

109 + 66 combination is a no-brainer.

[Golliwog]

109+66 Should only be combined if they remove what would become a dog leg to the Woolongabba station. That said though, as a UQ student, I have no problem with the current stop location in the City. No its not close to Central or Roma St, but it gives a single City stop for all UQ buses to use.

Looking at the routing of the 555 and 160, I see no reason to have them as seperate routes other than either the operators want/need to have each route to themselves or for the purpose of having a short running service.

[somebody]

TT: the 555 doesn't use QSBS.

Where do you go to get a bus to Holland Park West bus station from the city?  The notion that you have 3 different stops for routes each coming at 15 minute intervals weekday daytime is completely stupid.

109+66 Should only be combined if they remove what would become a dog leg to the Woolongabba station.

Absolutely.

The stop for the 412 is stupid too!  It's only on the odd occasion that you'd use a 412 because a 109 is a long way off.  I do see your point on this one, but I think there are larger issues which over-ride it, such as putting bendies on the 109 route more regularly and, more importantly, connecting Roma St an PA Hospital properly.