Carseldine Park and Ride

[Andrew]

So I was trawling through the TMR projects list and found this:

https://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/projects/carseldine-station-park-n-ride



There is a preserved corridor on the eastern side of the railway line from Carseldine to Telegraph Rd which was supposed to be for the Northern busway. There are details of the alignment in the documentation supporting the Carseldine Urban Village development.

http://statedevelopment.qld.gov.au/economic-development-qld/priority-development-areas/fitzgibbon.html

These numpties are going to now use part of said corridor for a giant carpark! 

[timh]

Nooooooooo. So no busway to Bracken Ridge then?? We need to kick up a stink about this

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[aldonius]

Question: is the busway meant to be in tunnel south of Carseldine station? I ask because there's nothing resembling a corridor between there and Chemside. 

[Jonno]

They can't call it an Urban Village with a park n ride!! These 2 terms are mutually exclusive!!

Let the congestion begin!!

[SurfRail]

Question: is the busway meant to be in tunnel south of Carseldine station? I ask because there's nothing resembling a corridor between there and Chemside.

I don't have ready access to the documents but I get the vague impression they never really intended anything other than on-road north of Chermside until the old QUT campus.  There was an indicative on-road route that was something like straight up Gympie Rd to the Chermside Markets, then the Aspley Hypermarket, then to Zillmere Rd and Dorville Rd.  At the time that was all current (2006-ish?) QUT was still at Carseldine and the Fitzgibbon PDA didn't exist, so who knows now.

I think it's worth asking questions because there is definitely a reserved corridor from the QUT site through to Linkfield / Telegraph Rds - see attached screengrab from the DA mapping system.  (Mind you the DA mapping system doesn't even show Chermside as an existing public transport facility even though other similar facilities on private land like Carindale are shown, so take with a grain of salt.)

[timh]

Question: is the busway meant to be in tunnel south of Carseldine station? I ask because there's nothing resembling a corridor between there and Chemside.

I don't have ready access to the documents but I get the vague impression they never really intended anything other than on-road north of Chermside until the old QUT campus.  There was an indicative on-road route that was something like a streamlined version of the 340.  At the time that was all current (2006-ish?) QUT was still at Carseldine and the Fitzgibbon PDA didn't exist, so who knows now.

I think it's worth asking questions because there is definitely a reserved corridor from the QUT site through to Linkfield / Telegraph Rds - see attached screengrab from the DA mapping system.  (Mind you the DA mapping system doesn't even show Chermside as an existing public transport facility even though other similar facilities on private land like Carindale are shown, so take with a grain of salt.)

Surfrail is correct. From Carseldine to Chermside inbound, the plan was:
- Busway-over-Rail bridge at Carseldine
- New Greenfield busway around the south of the old TAFE
- Shares with general traffic along Dorville Road
- Bus lanes on Zillmere Road
- In-median busway along Gympie road to Chermside.

I have the documents somewhere, I'll post soon


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[aldonius]

Thanks for the info on the Chermside connection

Personally I'm not hugely worried by this project.

(1) Seems to me that if the future busway is meant to run around the back of the old TAFE site off Dorville Rd, then it "wants" to cross Beams Rd near the entrance to the existing carpark on the western side of the station anyway, and then cross the tracks to the north of the station.
(2) This busway extension is way off in the never-never and wiping out some carparks isn't going to be a serious blocker if it ever does happen.

[Paul B]

Government will use the park n ride as an excuse to not improve local buses

[timh]

Thanks for the info on the Chermside connection

Personally I'm not hugely worried by this project.

(1) Seems to me that if the future busway is meant to run around the back of the old TAFE site off Dorville Rd, then it "wants" to cross Beams Rd near the entrance to the existing carpark on the western side of the station anyway, and then cross the tracks to the north of the station.
(2) This busway extension is way off in the never-never and wiping out some carparks isn't going to be a serious blocker if it ever does happen.

The plan is to cross the tracks to the south of the station:



Yes it may be far off in the future, but I'd rather they didn't make it harder/more expensive to build down the track by filling the corridor with a carpark.

[James]

A car park is a pretty inconsequential piece of infrastructure, particularly a single storey one like that. A bit of bitumen, some kerb, some drainage pits, a bit of paint and some landscaping. Nothing too difficult to demolish and replace with a busway.

It is probably the better option to be putting in when the government isn't quite sure where the busway is going to go, because building TOD right next to the railway line would certainly preclude using the western side for anything busway related, and it means there's still parking available if the busway goes through the western carpark (or further still, the western side was made more bus-friendly).

Of course, ideally you wouldn't build the thing at all and leave it as reserve until the busway is built - but it's politics. Particularly in that marginal seat, it will have plenty of resources poured into it for many years to come.

[HappyTrainGuy]

Question: is the busway meant to be in tunnel south of Carseldine station? I ask because there's nothing resembling a corridor between there and Chemside.

I don't have ready access to the documents but I get the vague impression they never really intended anything other than on-road north of Chermside until the old QUT campus.  There was an indicative on-road route that was something like a streamlined version of the 340.  At the time that was all current (2006-ish?) QUT was still at Carseldine and the Fitzgibbon PDA didn't exist, so who knows now.

I think it's worth asking questions because there is definitely a reserved corridor from the QUT site through to Linkfield / Telegraph Rds - see attached screengrab from the DA mapping system.  (Mind you the DA mapping system doesn't even show Chermside as an existing public transport facility even though other similar facilities on private land like Carindale are shown, so take with a grain of salt.)

Surfrail is correct. From Carseldine to Chermside inbound, the plan was:
- Busway-over-Rail bridge at Carseldine
- New Greenfield busway around the south of the old TAFE
- Shares with general traffic along Dorville Road
- Bus lanes on Zillmere Road
- In-median busway along Gympie road to Chermside.

I have the documents somewhere, I'll post soon


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It was actually to be a tunnel under the railway line and not a bridge as part of resuming kelly wreckers. Parts were then to be rezoned for housing. Public TMR concept draft plans had it as an overpass (still no confirmed alignment from Kedron to Bracken Ridge ie there were 6 different proposed routes 3 to PCH/2 Chermside/2 Aspley which doesn't include the Cemetery works of a tunnel or cut/cover structure) but the State Government Urban Land Development Authority which had been working on it longer had more detailed designs as an underpass as part of the development of the whole area. The busway would go under the railway line to the south and then under the beams road overpass via a surface road.