Three car peak services

[ozbob]

There appears to be no net reduction in 3 car peak services.  With NGRs now running (14 or so) you would think there would be some improvement but appears not.  Some units are undergoing overhauls/upgrades at Maryborough but there should be more units available now than before.

Can you identify any 3 car peak services that are normally turned out and of those which ones are bad from a congestion point of view.

I know the 4.27 pm Cleveland service ex Roma St is one.

Others? 

[ozbob]

There around 18 3 car peak services (AM + PM) I understand (Mon to Thu timetable).

6:17 Ferny Grove to Park Road
6:40 Ferny Grove to Coopers Plains
6:55 Ferny Grove to Park Road
7:10 Ferny Grove to Park Road
6:54 Shorncliffe to Cleveland
6:27 Ipswich to Bowen Hills
6:57 Ipswich to Bowen Hills
6:05 Caboolture to Ipswich
7:30 Rosewood to Kippa-Ring.
8:04 Northgate to Park Road
8:06 Manly to Doomben
8:08 Nambour to Ipswich

16.24 Central to Cleveland
16:28 Central to Caboolture
16:46 Central to Caboolture
17:21 Central to Northgate
17:41 Central to Ferny Grove
17:58 Central to Shorncliffe

[BrizCommuter]

Recent observations are that the 7:25am ex-FG is now a 6-car service (apart from Fridays when it is axed). Haven't observed the 7:10am lately.

[not_available]

I saw for a long time there was a 3 car kippa ring service that departed Mango hill at 9:37 am. According to translink that originates from Rosewood. So if its still a 3 car (haven't seen it lately so I can't say whether its still 3 cars)

[techblitz]

6:54 Shorncliffe to Cleveland received complaint yesterday...

https://www.facebook.com/QueenslandRail/posts/1952719774746373

Your Cleveland line the 7.15am one, the only one that stops at nundah, there is no space for the amount of people who use that service and yet there is at least one carriage less then the one that stops at Nundah at 7.29am. Why is That? It's the most ridiculous thing ever.

[Arnz]

The 4:00pm Roma Street to Nambour service which runs express on the Gympie North pattern (Bowen Hills to Caboolture stopping Northgate, Petrie) generally has crowding issues and it normally rotates between the generally scheduled 5-car ICE and a 3-car IMU (which operates more often than the former) due to mechanical issues with the former and/or is generally in the yards/sheds at Mayne. 

[ozbob]

6:27 Ipswich to Bowen Hills
6:57 Ipswich to Bowen Hills

Both of these tend to be well loaded with pax.  Regulars have learned to avoid them mostly.

[ozbob]

https://twitter.com/Robert_Dow/status/989710532163747840

[BrizCommuter]

I see in another thread that EMUs are starting to be withdrawn. Rather concerning if this is the case whilst there are still overcrowded 3-car peak services!

[ozbob]

I see in another thread that EMUs are starting to be withdrawn. Rather concerning if this is the case whilst there are still overcrowded 3-car peak services!

Done!  >> https://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=13118.0

[ozbob]

Sent to all outlets:

28th April 2018

When will 3 car peak services be upgraded?

Good Morning,

The 3 carriage (car) peak services are a constant problem due to the limited capacity constraints.  See list below.

We understand that EMU trains are already being withdrawn service (EMUs 62/64 and 65/68).  Does this mean that plans to upgrade the 3 car peak services to 6 car are on hold?  These overcrowded 3 car peak services are clearly inadequate and are a constant source of frustration for passengers. We have a reduced service timetable with reduced capacity.  Clearly demonstrating the serious effects of the ongoing rail fail.

Can Queensland Rail please advise what are the plans to upgrade these 3 car peak services to 6 car?

When will the rail timetable be upgraded to an acceptable service level? We have had enough of the ongoing rail fail thank you.

Best wishes,
Robert

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track https://backontrack.org

There around 18 3 car peak services (AM + PM) we understand (Mon to Thu timetable).

6:17 Ferny Grove to Park Road
6:40 Ferny Grove to Coopers Plains
6:55 Ferny Grove to Park Road
7:10 Ferny Grove to Park Road
6:54 Shorncliffe to Cleveland
6:27 Ipswich to Bowen Hills
6:57 Ipswich to Bowen Hills
6:05 Caboolture to Ipswich
7:30 Rosewood to Kippa-Ring.
8:04 Northgate to Park Road
8:06 Manly to Doomben
8:08 Nambour to Ipswich

16.24 Central to Cleveland
16:28 Central to Caboolture
16:46 Central to Caboolture
17:21 Central to Northgate
17:41 Central to Ferny Grove
17:58 Central to Shorncliffe

[ozbob]

https://twitter.com/Robert_Dow/status/989900251589853184

https://twitter.com/Robert_Dow/status/989906060973457408

https://twitter.com/Robert_Dow/status/990018185700126720

Facebook > https://www.facebook.com/RAILBackOnTrack/posts/2029640320383478

[ozbob]

https://twitter.com/Robert_Dow/status/990758255507914752

[red dragin]

There was a 3 car 100/200 series (boxy front end) from Springfield heading north this morning on Sunrise traffic. The helicopter reporter made mention of how much faster it was moving than the traffic 

Given the delay in the broadcast (I've noted the chopper fly over up to 30 minutes before they broadcast footage from our area), I couldn't tell you what service it was.

[ozbob]

^ non scheduled 3 car.  They happen ... 

[BrizCommuter]

4 Years of Pain - QR's 3-car-maggedon Continues!
https://brizcommuter.blogspot.com.au/2018/04/4-years-of-pain-qrs-3-car-maggedon.html

[ozbob]

4 Years of Pain - QR's 3-car-maggedon Continues!
https://brizcommuter.blogspot.com.au/2018/04/4-years-of-pain-qrs-3-car-maggedon.html

Sent to all outlets and ..

https://twitter.com/Robert_Dow/status/990985559878254593

[ozbob]

As part of the learning curve of life I follow @ScotRail on twitter.  They are really good in how they do things.  Lots of lessons for banana-land.

e.g.

https://twitter.com/ScotRail/status/990962960263712769

[#Metro]

ScotRail is a privatised rail operator to Abellio, a subsidiary of Dutch State Railways, NS.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abellio_ScotRail

[BrizCommuter]

As part of the learning curve of life I follow @ScotRail on twitter.  They are really good in how they do things.  Lots of lessons for banana-land.

e.g.

https://twitter.com/ScotRail/status/990962960263712769

Also, London operator C2C who also had a lack of train issue after a new timetable publish scheduled train lengths on their timetables.

[ozbob]

https://twitter.com/brenni03/status/991064084912267264

https://twitter.com/QueenslandRail/status/991064826637103104

https://twitter.com/brenni03/status/991065217047060480

https://twitter.com/Robert_Dow/status/991109408582070272

[#Metro]

Some operators really do some things differently. Just invite Abellio to tender for the QR network.

[ozbob]

Some operators really do some things differently. Just invite Abellio to tender for the QR network.

https://twitter.com/ScotRail/status/991202808392232962

ScotRail Alliance Managing Director Alex Hynes, said:

"We are building the best railway this country has ever had – and that applies to all of Scotland.

"The major investment we are making will mean more services and more seats in the south of Scotland. It will also help to grow the economy in this part of the country, which makes it an exciting time for everybody in the area.

"We've listened to feedback and made positive changes for commuters, business travellers and tourists looking to get out and about across this great country. More regular trains mean more seats and more choice, providing greater flexibility for trips to Glasgow and better connection with trains to London."

[ozbob]

https://twitter.com/ScotRail/status/991209353536507904

[ozbob]

Queensland Rail is not in the hunt when you look at what good operators actually do.

My suggestion that they put out train length variations ( such that intending passengers can actually check before arrival at the station ) will be ignored as usual.  They are internally lost ... too many staff in  ' fluff ' roles, not enough staff in actual operational roles.

[ozbob]

Sent to all outlets:

2nd May 2018

3 car peak frustration - a solution

Good Morning,

One only has to monitor the frustrated feedback to Queensland Rail concerning the problems with 3 car trains at peak to understand that something needs to be one ( https://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=13117.msg208129#msg208129 ).  As Queensland Rail appear to be unable to replace the 3 car peak services with 6 car sets, then Queensland Rail should publish a list of scheduled 3 car peak services.  And additionally have  a live train formation update service.  ScotRail (Scotland's Railway ) is a good example of how this is done.  See > http://www.journeycheck.com/scotrail/  Passengers could then choose to avoid the 3 car peak services as desired.

Queensland Rail has much to learn when it comes to basic communication and passenger management.  If they stopped ' counting the cash ' and focussed on real outcomes for a change the railway might be a better operation.

Best wishes,
Robert

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track https://backontrack.org

Sent to all outlets:

28th April 2018

When will 3 car peak services be upgraded?

Good Morning,

The 3 carriage (car) peak services are a constant problem due to the limited capacity constraints.  See list below.

We understand that EMU trains are already being withdrawn service (EMUs 62/64 and 65/68).  Does this mean that plans to upgrade the 3 car peak services to 6 car are on hold?  These overcrowded 3 car peak services are clearly inadequate and are a constant source of frustration for passengers. We have a reduced service timetable with reduced capacity.  Clearly demonstrating the serious effects of the ongoing rail fail.

Can Queensland Rail please advise what are the plans to upgrade these 3 car peak services to 6 car?

When will the rail timetable be upgraded to an acceptable service level? We have had enough of the ongoing rail fail thank you.

Best wishes,
Robert

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track https://backontrack.org

There around 18 3 car peak services (AM + PM) we understand (Mon to Thu timetable).

6:17 Ferny Grove to Park Road
6:40 Ferny Grove to Coopers Plains
6:55 Ferny Grove to Park Road
7:10 Ferny Grove to Park Road
6:54 Shorncliffe to Cleveland
6:27 Ipswich to Bowen Hills
6:57 Ipswich to Bowen Hills
6:05 Caboolture to Ipswich
7:30 Rosewood to Kippa-Ring.
8:04 Northgate to Park Road
8:06 Manly to Doomben
8:08 Nambour to Ipswich

16.24 Central to Cleveland
16:28 Central to Caboolture
16:46 Central to Caboolture
17:21 Central to Northgate
17:41 Central to Ferny Grove
17:58 Central to Shorncliffe

[ozbob]

https://twitter.com/Robert_Dow/status/991351433537536000

https://twitter.com/Robert_Dow/status/991423913249787904

[jesse]

The 4:00pm Roma Street to Nambour service which runs express on the Gympie North pattern (Bowen Hills to Caboolture stopping Northgate, Petrie) generally has crowding issues and it normally rotates between the generally scheduled 5-car ICE and a 3-car IMU (which operates more often than the former) due to mechanical issues with the former and/or is generally in the yards/sheds at Mayne.

Noted that for the last couple weeks, this service has been subbed to a 6 car Imu due to ice train shortage. While it's makes for a more pleasant commute home for passengers, surely this means qr have the resources to upgrade other 3 car services? Surely it must be in the latter stages of thought with over a dozen NGRs taking the pressure of interurban stock  :conf

[BrizCommuter]

My train service this morning was unusually a 6-car unit - the guard made a joke about enjoying the extra leg room!

[ozbob]

My train service this morning was unusually a 6-car unit - the guard made a joke about enjoying the extra leg room!

[techblitz]

speaking of 3 car services they were using them on the RPL line over the weekend A lady injured herself @ northgate...running from the end to the middle of the platform due to having absolutely no notification that her service was to be a 3 car set 

[ozbob]

speaking of 3 car services they were using them on the RPL line over the weekend A lady injured herself @ northgate...running from the end to the middle of the platform due to having absolutely no notification that her service was to be a 3 car set