Brisbane General Infrastructure (transport) Map

[#Metro]

Was making a count of where stations were - made a nice image. 

Then I realised that very large areas of Brisbane don't have any Priority A infrastructure. 

Red zones are 'dead zones'. Take a look for yourself! This is what sprawl does - expands into areas where you then have to play
catch up!

Brisbane City - Overall


Brisbane North



Brisbane South/East


Brisbane - Sunnybank Area



Brisbane West



The Gap

[ozbob]

Nice!  Thanks LD   

[ozbob]

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[HappyTrainGuy]

You'll find that the north west has suffered not from urban sprawl but politics at the hands of the bcc. Albany Creek used to make up part of the Pine Rivers shire and they had no real interest in providing pt for these areas. The same has pretty much continued despite Translink being formed. If you follow the border you can see how bus routes change as they approach. Such as the 338, 357, 359 shambles during peak hour where you need all 3 timeables if you are going west/north or the 327 at Bald Hills having multiple route terminus during peak hour with no Bald Hills/Bracken Ridge to Strathpine services despite those buses now being BT rented buses run by hornibrook from their Lawnton depot. Many of the routes now are just simple extensions on top of extensions on top of other extensions ie the 335 used to terminate on kirby or Zillmere road before being extended to Taigum. It was then extended to Boondall railway station under the 328 route before again being changed and extended from Taigum to Sandgate as the 325 then took over the 328 loop. Meanwhile other routes had buses thrown at them many of which don't even need them.

[tazzer9]

Some of those dead zones go through very hilly area's.  Some also go through heritage areas.  Both of which make Priority A infrastructure very expensive.

(also the carindale - camp hill area and the sunnybank area has good roads,some of which has some priority c roads)

[#Metro]

Some of those dead zones go through very hilly area's.  Some also go through heritage areas.  Both of which make Priority A infrastructure very expensive.

The INB goes through a golf course. It will make it more expensive, but some these suburbs have been around since the 1940s!

[tazzer9]

Isn't vic park gold course owned by the council? 

[newbris]

Some of those dead zones go through very hilly area's.  Some also go through heritage areas.  Both of which make Priority A infrastructure very expensive.

The INB goes through a golf course. It will make it more expensive, but some these suburbs have been around since the 1940s!

Yes, even older than that. Red Hill/Ashgrove was opened up as the tram was opened in the area from 1897 to early 1920's.

The heritage tram stops, tram turn around loops etc are still there taunting us every day   (See https://goo.gl/maps/g8UCQRPGX2o for example Ashgrove tram turnaround with shelter)



One-man tram in Enoggera Terrace, Red Hill in 1929


Source: Wikipedia

Ten-bench tram in Waterworks Road, Ashgrove


Source: Wikipedia

[tazzer9]

I go past these heritage tram stops all the time.  They are nice but when i use to catch the bus to school it really annoyed me how they weren't used as bus stops.  West ashgrove shops is often still referred to as "The terminus".

[newbris]

I go past these heritage tram stops all the time.  They are nice but when i use to catch the bus to school it really annoyed me how they weren't used as bus stops.  West ashgrove shops is often still referred to as "The terminus".

Most of the ones down my end in central Ashgrove/Red Hill are bus stops....out of curiosity which ones aren't your way ?

[tazzer9]

 Only 2 or 3 original ones still exist along that route in their original location.  There is one that is near mt st Michaels that is in use as a bus stop.  But the others are located near bus stops but the bus stop is 20 metres away.  Like where the war memorial is.

[Gazza]

Just looking at the map at the black holes, and how you could address them.

The eastern one would be addressed by the eastern busway to capalaba, but  I think the bit between that and the SEB is a difficult one to do much with because it lacks a major center.

The nothern one would be addressed by the SEB, and the trouts road line.

The one around the Gap is too hilly......Maybe when you have three BUZes to the area and they aren't coping, build Bergen style light rail at some point in the future  , with a mixture of road running and tunneled sections under hilly bits?


Southern Suburbs
Could be picked up by the Flagstone/Beaudesert line....Question, but why does the red blob here not extend to inala etc

Centenary / Kenmore etc....Maybe pick it up with an east west metro long term extension?

[#Metro]

Southern Suburbs
Could be picked up by the Flagstone/Beaudesert line....Question, but why does the red blob here not extend to inala etc

Richlands Station.

[Gazza]

Southern Suburbs
Could be picked up by the Flagstone/Beaudesert line....Question, but why does the red blob here not extend to inala etc

Richlands Station.

But the top of that red blob is practically touching Runcorn, Fruitgrove etc, but finishes several kilometers away from Richlands...why are Beenleigh line stations treated differently to Richlands?

[#Metro]

Its a rough map.

[Old Northern Road]

There are basically 3 corridors in Brisbane which lack decent public transport

1)   The Gympie Rd corridor to Chermside/ Aspley

2)   Old Cleveland Rd corridor to Carindale

3)   Mains Rd/ Beaudesert Rd corridor to Browns Plains

At the very least all these corridors should have full bus lanes along their entire length. These 3 things as well as the proposed east-west metro which would serve the higher density suburbs which currently lack decent PT (New Farm, Newstead, West End) would give Brisbane the coverage it needs.

Kenmore and the Centenary suburbs can be served by feeder buses to Indooroopilly and Darra. In the long term they could look at extending the proposed east-west metro further west to serve these suburbs.

The Gap can easily be served by a BUZ

[HappyTrainGuy]

The Gap already has a buz..... and the 380, 381, 382, 383, 384.

[#Metro]

The Gap already has a buz..... and the 380, 381, 382, 383, 384.

This is about access to Priority A infrastructure protected from congestion. Service black holes are dealt with elsewhere.

[HappyTrainGuy]

I was replying to the comment above mine about the Gap not having a buz.

[tazzer9]

The Gap already has a buz..... and the 380, 381, 382, 383, 384.

Hourly, Hourly, Hourly in peak, hourly in peak and twice hourly in peak. 
381 and 380 also service two very different area's.

[SurfRail]

The best thing TMR and BCC could be doing would be to implement 24 hour bus priority on the busiest routes.  My thinking is:

24 hour bus lanes - where there are 3 lanes or where the bus density is sufficiently high
- Lutwyche Road in the missing stretch of busway between Truro St and Federation St
- Gympie Road from the end of the busway probably as far as Aspley
- Coro Drive
- Kelvin Grove Rd at least as far out as Alderley station
- Ann St and Wickham St all the way to Newstead
- Mains Rd and Calam Rd all the way to Compton Rd

24 hour T2 or T3 lanes - where the road doesn't reliably contain 3 lanes in both directions for extended periods
- Old Cleveland Road as far as Capalaba
- Logan Road as far as Garden City
- Sandgate Road as far as Toombul
- K-S Drive
- Waterworks Rd
- Milton Rd
- Ipswich Rd probably as far as the motorway entrance at Moorooka
- Beaudesert Rd between Ipswich Rd and Riawena Rd
- Wynnum Rd probably as far as Tingalpa

That's just the radial routes - there are probably a number of cross-town routes which would benefit from bus priority as well.  Possibly Stafford Rd and Creek/Newnham Rds.

Needs to feature not only continuous, 24 hour lane treatments, but priority signalling also.

It really would be chicken feed to do compared with building busways, and would deliver immediate benefits.

It's a glaring failure that the busiest of these roads haven't had these treatments already.

[Old Northern Road]

Never said The Gap didn't have a BUZ. I said that is all it needs. Waterworks Rd already has T2 lanes although for some reason the GAP bus doesn't go via Waterworks Rd for a lot of the route

[aldonius]

It's far easier to access the busway core via Caxton St and Paddington. And it's quicker, too.

The 6:49am (Waterworks Rd at Petmar St) inbound 380 arrives at Roma St (on-street) at 7:25am.
The 6:50am (ditto) inbound 385 arrives at Roma St (busway P2) at 7:14am.

Going via Caxton St is therefore more than 10 minutes faster. Admittedly if you're a very slow walker and work in the north of the CBD, it might make sense time-wise to catch the 380.

[newbris]

Never said The Gap didn't have a BUZ. I said that is all it needs. Waterworks Rd already has T2 lanes although for some reason the GAP bus doesn't go via Waterworks Rd for a lot of the route

Yes, the gap has a buz but the rest of the waterworks road route through ashgrove west, ashgrove and red hill doesn't. It has neither priority A infrastructure or a buz. Also the T2 lanes are incomplete and no priority through major junctions.

[aldonius]

Every time I think about an inner Waterworks Rd BUZ, I inevitably end up thinking about that dratted Countess St to INB connection. Without that, the city access and the transfer options are always going to be relatively poor. At least as long as northern George St is one-way.

[newbris]

Every time I think about an inner Waterworks Rd BUZ, I inevitably end up thinking about that dratted Countess St to INB connection. Without that, the city access and the transfer options are always going to be relatively poor. At least as long as northern George St is one-way.

Could it turn right at the bottom of countess and then right again into the busway ?

[urbanplanr]

The best thing TMR and BCC could be doing would be to implement 24 hour bus priority on the busiest routes.  My thinking i

That's just the radial routes - there are probably a number of cross-town routes which would benefit from bus priority as well.  Possibly Stafford Rd and Creek/Newnham Rds.

Needs to feature not only continuous, 24 hour lane treatments, but priority signalling also.

It really would be chicken feed to do compared with building busways, and would deliver immediate benefits.

It's a glaring failure that the busiest of these roads haven't had these treatments already.

TMR have commissioned a few studies on this, most recently in 2010 afaik, where they looked at a bunch of arterial road corridors in SEQ including Old Cleveland Road. Not sure what the outcome of that study was, but I'm sure they looked at transit lanes, as well as bus priority treatments at intersections.

[aldonius]

Every time I think about an inner Waterworks Rd BUZ, I inevitably end up thinking about that dratted Countess St to INB connection. Without that, the city access and the transfer options are always going to be relatively poor. At least as long as northern George St is one-way.

Could it turn right at the bottom of countess and then right again into the busway ?

Physically, I believe so; I've used that routing for my most recent version of the Core Anytime Network. But it's got to cost a few extra minutes outside of late-night, and I don't think that intersection is currently configured with that in mind. Looking at it on Street View, the turn is signed as prohibited with a (blurred-out) exception sign.

[Marshal]

As part of my university degree I am working on an independent research project that assess transport access equity across Brisbane. Basically the idea is that transit supply is a resource and we can measure its distribution across a population in a similar manor to how we measure the distribution of wealth. Long story short, it involves calculating a transport supply index for suburbs around the greater Brisbane area, so when complete will most likely highlight regions as shown here.