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Helsinki Metro

Started by Gazza, May 22, 2024, 09:37:52 AM

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Gazza



Here's a nice video on Helsinkis metro extension and feeder bus system.

I rode this back in 2022. The stations had much more extensive underground bus stations linked to the metro. Think something KGS scale, but for many more of the stops.
You'd also see more retail integrated from day 1.

A stop I was regularly using had two supermarkets built into the surface building:
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This is a great video and thanks for posting. Essentially the Perth/Toronto feeder model.

In low density, the existing land use pattern may be that there isn't TOD or there is but it's not large enough to support the station with walk-up only.

The trick is to increase the station passenger catchment size to beyond walk-up.

The video focuses on using buses for this purpose, but it is a more general effect than that.

Any mode that increases the station catchment area will have this effect. (Would be good to have better bike/eScooter access to busway stations in SEQ for example).

You can also use P&R for this catchment expansion purpose, which is what Perth does. The advantage of that being it saves you both the walk (10 min) and the wait (say another 5-10 min) on a door-to-door journey. It also reaches into areas that may be difficult/impossible for buses to penetrate into due to street layout/unwalkability.

This has some relevance for SEQ as one of the problems we face is what to do for new developments in very far places (Yarrabilba etc) where rail is not coming soon.
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Jonno

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The key here is that frequent, simple/legible, interconnected services shows that feeder and cross city connectivity (ideally prioritised in bus lanes) will work. In Hesinki they redesigned the network to work with the metro not compete or avoid it.  Fast and direct is key.

I would note that Helsini is more dense than Sydney so I suspect there could be a relative density comparison that we might be missing here.  Our low density and their low density could and are likely to very different. Not that that changes the reality that's good service and connectivity works but better neighborhood design its going to make it far easier and a much much better experience.

I would much rather travel here



than here



Also think the below misses the point that the feeder buses are creating their own walk up catchment t

QuoteIn low density, the existing land use pattern may be that there isn't TOD or there is but it's not large enough to support the station with walk-up only.

P&R is the nuclear power of the transport industry.  It will work but it is expensive, ugly and no one can or wants to live near it.

kram0

Great video. Please forward to our w@nker politicians for review.

This style of metro is one similar to what the guys of at Brisbane Development proposed for Brisbane.

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