Bulimba Glider

[somebody]

210/212/184/185

How are people expected to know this?

And that's exactly the problem with routes like the 113, old 197, 476 etc.

[ButFli]

The 199 is profitable

How do we know this?  Supposition?

Back when the CityGlider was introduced I crunched the numbers. The council gave the cost of running the CityGlider service for a year. I assumed, given that the CityGlider runs more frequently on a route of similar length, the cost of the 199 would be equal or less. We get the passenger figures for the top 10 routes every year, and the 199 was one of them (number 1). I assumed a 1:1 split between 1 and 2 zone fairs and full-price and concession and calculated the farebox revenue. It was significantly more than the cost of running the service.

I doubt the Council's CityGlider costings included the cost of acquiring the buses so I doubt the 199 is profitable if it has to pay for buying the buses. And it does, if we're advocating increasing 199 frequency as a profit-making exercise.

[somebody]

Where is the data on the top 10 routes?  I haven't seen that, ever I don't think.

[kazzac]

210/212/184/185

How are people expected to know this?
Why is the inconvenience of this even remotely acceptable?
Why should I have to waste time simply because decent services aren't put on?

BUZ the 230!!

Yes Please!!

[SurfRail]

The 199 is profitable

How do we know this?  Supposition?

Back when the CityGlider was introduced I crunched the numbers. The council gave the cost of running the CityGlider service for a year. I assumed, given that the CityGlider runs more frequently on a route of similar length, the cost of the 199 would be equal or less. We get the passenger figures for the top 10 routes every year, and the 199 was one of them (number 1). I assumed a 1:1 split between 1 and 2 zone fairs and full-price and concession and calculated the farebox revenue. It was significantly more than the cost of running the service.

I doubt the Council's CityGlider costings included the cost of acquiring the buses so I doubt the 199 is profitable if it has to pay for buying the buses. And it does, if we're advocating increasing 199 frequency as a profit-making exercise.

A bus costs $500,000.00 approximately.  If you isolated the cost of buses needed to operate the 199 or CityGlider and treated them all as freshly paid for, I suspect they would be paid off in fairly short order on those routes compared to any others (they are very high patronage runs compared to the fuel and manpower).  The important thing is that the 199 at least is exceeding operating costs, which is better than any other service.

As it is, the Cityglider buses were not delivered new specifically for that run.  They were 20 repurposed diesel MANs put aside for use on the CG specifically, not too long after they had entered service.

I don't have figures admittedly, but the anecdote about the 199 was from TransLink guys (and not BT).

[ButFli]

Where is the data on the top 10 routes?  I haven't seen that, ever I don't think.

I believe this thread here on RBoT is where I got my numbers from: http://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=3681.0

That isn't a top 10 list but a list of all bus routes where patronage was higher than 1 million per annum. By the looks of it, the data isn't released on a regular basis. I'd be very interested to see how things measure up after the introduction of the CityGlider and BUZing the 196. I have heard that 199 is still king.

[kazzac]

Easter weekend next w''end and every day apart from Easter Saturday will be on Sunday timetable,that means  45 minutes between 230/235 i/bound or o/b services, AND they do that silly "loop" SO annoying!and we don"t need a BUZ service here inBalmoral/Bulimba?Yes we DO >(I prefer to catch the 235 since the stops are just around the corner but if I dont want to wait 90 minutes between services on a Sunday will catch 230 instead and walk from Riding Rd.Cant always do this if I have too much to carry,.even 45 minutes is too much though[,Saturday timetable.]If and when 230  becomes a BUZ I wont mind the walk if I only ever have to wait 15/20 minutes for a service.

[somebody]

Why do the 230 and 235 use Mowbray Tce and bypass Mowbray park and it's ferry stop?

I was down there on Friday night and a bit shocked that the 227/232 stop running I/B before 7pm, leaving the city cat being pretty much the only PT.  Notably, it seems quite well used with something like 50 people getting off the ferry there.

[ButFli]

Why do the 230 and 235 use Mowbray Tce and bypass Mowbray park and it's ferry stop?

I was down there on Friday night and a bit shocked that the 227/232 stop running I/B before 7pm, leaving the city cat being pretty much the only PT.  Notably, it seems quite well used with something like 50 people getting off the ferry there.

Uh... could it be that Mowbray Park already has access to public transport (the CityCat) so the 230 and 235 run down Mowbray Tce to provide public transport there?

230 and 235 already interchange with the CityCat at Oxford St (and to a lesser extent Cultural Centre) so why do it again at Mowbray Park?

[Mr X]

I can say from a lot of experience that that part of East Brisbane is a big PT blackhole. Even more so if you cut the 230/235 out.

[somebody]

Uh... could it be that Mowbray Park already has access to public transport (the CityCat) so the 230 and 235 run down Mowbray Tce to provide public transport there?

It could, but Vulture St E/Stanley St E are pretty close by with the 184/185/210/212.  214/215/220 could have a stop added too.  It's been posted before that pedestrian access isn't very nice, but can't it be improved?

230 and 235 already interchange with the CityCat at Oxford St (and to a lesser extent Cultural Centre) so why do it again at Mowbray Park?

Be that as it may, what if you aren't coming from South Bank, but perhaps Mater Hill, W'Gabba.  Also the South Bank 1&2 wharf isn't very convenient to other PT, even if it might be OK for some non-interchanging trips.

Also, what if I am heading to somewhere not near one of the Bulimba ferry wharves?

[Otto]

My proposal...

Buz 230 as is. Change Desto to "Bulimba BUZ via Riding Road 230"

New Route 237 ( Wynnum via Balmoral and Hemmant Industrial Area )

Cultural Centre, Victoria Bridge to Adelaide St, Ivory St, Story Bridge, Shaftston Ave, Lytton Rd, Wynnum Rd, Hawthorne Rd, Lytton Rd to Hemmant,then via Aquarium Ave, Gosport St, Lindum Rd, North Rd, Sandy Camp Rd, Selina St, Tingal Rd, Glenora St, Fox St, Cusack Pde, Agnes St, St Catherines Ter, Berrima St, Bay Tce, Florence St, Ronald St, Dibar St, West Ave, Andrew St, ( Terminus Wyn Cent Station )

Just an idea..

[#Metro]

I'd use the road names - Riding Road BUZ via Bulimba and Thynne Road BUZ via Bulimba
or just call one a Bulimba BUZ and the other a Balmoral BUZ...

[kazzac]

Article in this week's" South East Advertiser "about the poor bus services in Bulimba.

[#Metro]

Woo! got a pic?

[ozbob]

From the Quest South East Advertiser 18th April 2012 page 5



Busy Bulimba could use its own Cityglider service

Busy Bulimba could use its own Cityglider service

PUBLIC transport advocacy group Back on Track has called for a Bulimba Cityglider bus, labelling current bus services to the area ''an embarrassment''.

The group said residents' concerns about local public transport issues had failed to be addressed.

Back on Track spokesman Robert Dow said the lord mayoral candidates should scrap the proposed Maroon Cityglider route, which would run between Paddington and Stones Corner, in favour of a new Bulimba service.

Mr Dow said commuters experienced wait times of almost an hour after 7pm on weekdays and up to 1½ hours on Sundays.

"A Bulimba Glider would relieve major parking issues, improve access to the popular cinemas and service a restaurant district that relies on late night trade," he said. "Current services in the area are grossly inadequate, shameful and an embarrassment.

"The 232 bus service is terrible – driving into a maze of 28 different streets and 1hr waits, the service resembles a safari tour rather than a public transport service."

Morningside councillor Shayne Sutton blamed overdevelopment in Bulimba and Hawthorne for the area's public transport woes.

She said better public transport services were essential for the area.

"It's become difficult to get in and out of the Peninsula, particularly during the morning peak," she said.

"We need more frequent services on Sundays and later into the evening. I will continue to lobby for it."

LNP candidate for Morningside Bradley Dean said he would lobby Translink for better bus services to the area if they were required.

[Gazza]

"The 232 bus service is terrible – driving into a maze of 28 different streets and 1hr waits, the service resembles a safari tour rather than a public transport service."

Best quote!
Love ya wording TT.

[#Metro]

I'm pretty 'steam ironed' with my wording 

[O_128]

From the Quest South East Advertiser 18th April 2012 page 5



Busy Bulimba could use its own Cityglider service

"The 232 bus service is terrible – driving into a maze of 28 different streets and 1hr waits, the service resembles a safari tour rather than a public transport service."

Morningside councillor Shayne Sutton blamed overdevelopment in Bulimba and Hawthorne for the area's public transport woes.

I blame a lack of Cr Sutton lobbying for mere services

The 232 is useless, Ideally should run straight down hawthorne road.

[#Metro]

I have to disagree with Cr Sutton - over development doesn't make buses run at low frequency or turn into one way services.
Perhaps if Bulimba was a paddock, then yes, there would be no problems, but like many desirable inner city suburbs, it is going to be developed.

[kazzac]

yes get rid of route 232 please!the only time I travel on this route is when I want to go to Cannon Hill Plaza,[catch it in Pashen St]but I could also catch an o/b 227 service on Wynnum Rd,its more direct.

[somebody]

yes get rid of route 232 please!the only time I travel on this route is when I want to go to Cannon Hill Plaza,[catch it in Pashen St]but I could also catch an o/b 227 service on Wynnum Rd,its more direct.

Hmm, that's a good point.  Even if you are on Oxford St and want to go to Carindale you can use a 230/235, 227, 590/GCL.  Main trouble is frequency!

[kazzac]

I have to disagree with Cr Sutton - over development doesn't make buses run at low frequency or turn into one way services.
Perhaps if Bulimba was a paddock, then yes, there would be no problems, but like many desirable inner city suburbs, it is going to be developed.

I've lived here in M'side/Balmoral for 6 years now and I've noticed how much this area had developed ,more townhouses on blocks that used to only have 1 house.Thats why the next BUZ ification has to be BUZ 230!

[ozbob]

Media release 22 April 2012

Brisbane: Council Elections 2012: Who will offer a Bulimba Glider?

RAIL Back On Track (http://backontrack.org) a web based community support group for rail and public transport and an advocate for public transport passengers calls on Lord Mayoral Candidates to commit to the introduction of a 'Bulimba Glider' - high frequency bus service between Bulimba and the CBD.

Robert Dow, Spokesman for RAIL Back On Track said:

"The problems in the Bulimba 'no go' public transport blackout zone are well known - low frequency bus services, terrible weekend an night services, services that disappear immediately after peak hour, buses doing safari tours of Bulimba back-streets and services becoming one way only at night."

"These problems have been recently detailed by the Quest South East Advertiser together with a long history of major parking problems in Bulimba that could be fixed with a decent bus upgrade (1)."

"During the Brisbane City Council election campaign we have seen promises for free sunscreen in parks, traffic light countdown timers, and so forth. Why not tackle a bread-and-butter issue that matters to a lot of people facing high registration, rising car insurance premiums and costly petrol - fix public transport."

"The Maroon CityGlider should be scrapped and used to fund a Bulimba Glider service. A large amount of development in Bulimba has  occurred in Bulimba in recent years, and the Brisbane City Council appears to have dropped the ball on this issue, and have known about the problems since 2009."

"Now is the perfect opportunity to fix it. BUZ Bulimba!"

Reference:

1. Busy Bulimba could use its own Cityglider service  http://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=7603.msg95415#msg95415

Contact:

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track http://backontrack.org

[Gazza]

A girl I go to uni with, unprompted (Came up in conversation when we were working in the studio), said that the 230 was too infrequent and was her only option to get home and said it needed to be high frequency (And she mentioned it only comes once every 45 mins in the evening) . I asked her if she had seen the media coverage, and she hadn't (So I showed her the one from a couple of days ago)
Just goes to show the feeling out there. Encouraged her to write to her local MP anyway.

[ozbob]

A girl I go to uni with, unprompted (Came up in conversation when we were working in the studio), said that the 230 was too infrequent and was her only option to get home and said it needed to be high frequency. I asked her if she had seen the media coverage, and she hadn't (So I showed her the one from a couple of days ago)
Just goes to show the feeling out there.

Indeed ...

[#Metro]

A girl I go to uni with, unprompted (Came up in conversation when we were working in the studio), said that the 230 was too infrequent and was her only option to get home and said it needed to be high frequency (And she mentioned it only comes once every 45 mins in the evening) . I asked her if she had seen the media coverage, and she hadn't (So I showed her the one from a couple of days ago)
Just goes to show the feeling out there. Encouraged her to write to her local MP anyway.

SAME! I had a friend who was complaining on Facebook that they wanted to get 230 and they always needed to look at the timetable but it was never on time... and I also showed them the Quest Advertiser Article and they were like "YEAH! THAT'S what we need!!'...

[kazzac]

After today's council election are us the people of Bulimba /Balmoral going to receive our BUZ service soon?Also those other areas mentioned that lack decent PT services ATM.