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What can we expect re: transport if the LNP wins govt

Started by somebody, December 08, 2011, 14:38:57 PM

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somebody

Quote from: Fares_Fair on January 29, 2012, 20:24:05 PM
Quote from: Simon on January 29, 2012, 20:11:01 PM
Quote from: Stillwater on January 29, 2012, 18:40:23 PM
Faster, more efficient rail operations means faster turnaround of coal trains, means more coal utilised, means more royalties to state revenue (we all get richer) and also means federal government, which would built the LLR tunnel, would get some money back for its investment; through the mining tax (we all get a little more richer and get some useful infrastructure on the side).  Everyone lives happily ever after.
Only if more coal is actually mined.

which it is, Japan, then Republic of Korea, Taiwan, China, India and Europe being our largest export customers (there's that word again).
Black coal provides 54% of Australian consumers needs.

Regards,
Fares_Fair.
Huh?

That doesn't mean the cost of operating/capacity the railway is limiting our exports of coal.

somebody

Which is it?  Do we "need" enhancements to the coal chain here because:
(a) Cost of moving existing coal
(b) Capacity restricting growth in mining
(c) Expensive operating cost of transport making new mines unviable
(d) Because, because, because.

Seems (d).


Fares_Fair

Quote from: Simon on January 29, 2012, 20:54:00 PM
Which is it?  Do we "need" enhancements to the coal chain here because:
(a) Cost of moving existing coal
(b) Capacity restricting growth in mining
(c) Expensive operating cost of transport making new mines unviable
(d) Because, because, because.

Seems (d).

I agree with SW.
I'd say (b) too!

Regards,
Fares_Fair.
Regards,
Fares_Fair


Golliwog

With respect to coal being shipped through the POB, the POB exports less coal per year than the northern ports lose to spillage when they empty the wagons. Just a fun fact I picked up on a uni field trip.
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mufreight

Quote from: Simon on January 29, 2012, 20:51:45 PM
Quote from: Fares_Fair on January 29, 2012, 20:24:05 PM
Quote from: Simon on January 29, 2012, 20:11:01 PM
Quote from: Stillwater on January 29, 2012, 18:40:23 PM
Faster, more efficient rail operations means faster turnaround of coal trains, means more coal utilised, means more royalties to state revenue (we all get richer) and also means federal government, which would built the LLR tunnel, would get some money back for its investment; through the mining tax (we all get a little more richer and get some useful infrastructure on the side).  Everyone lives happily ever after.
Only if more coal is actually mined.

which it is, Japan, then Republic of Korea, Taiwan, China, India and Europe being our largest export customers (there's that word again).
Black coal provides 54% of Australian consumers needs.

Regards,
Fares_Fair.
Huh?

That doesn't mean the cost of operating/capacity the railway is limiting our exports of coal.

It does however mean that by containg the cost of transport to the ports by more cost effective operation of the rail services that otherwise marginal projects will be brought on line resulting in more tonage being mined and transported.

Jonno

Quote from: Golliwog on January 29, 2012, 23:35:49 PM
With respect to coal being shipped through the POB, the POB exports less coal per year than the northern ports lose to spillage when they empty the wagons. Just a fun fact I picked up on a uni field trip.

Chairman of POB quotes that stat all the time. 

mufreight

Even at 14 trains per day of 2000 tonne payload that is one hell of a big coal spill, 28.000 tonnes daily, methinks that someone is being considerably less than truthful here.

SurfRail

I think POB exports around 6 millions tons per annum, which is infinitesimally small compared to the ports up north.

If the Surat Basin rail line gets built, you honestly wonder if they would even bother shipping through Brisbane anymore.
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Gazza

Quote from: mufreight on January 31, 2012, 16:32:18 PM
Even at 14 trains per day of 2000 tonne payload that is one hell of a big coal spill, 28.000 tonnes daily, methinks that someone is being considerably less than truthful here.
One wonders why the port of Gladstone isn't covered in a mountain of coal by now, given the amount allegedly being spilled  :-r

HappyTrainGuy

Quote from: Gazza on February 01, 2012, 20:52:16 PM
One wonders why the port of Gladstone isn't covered in a mountain of coal by now, given the amount allegedly being spilled  :-r

All the spillage is located on the locos. Just look at how they are all supposed to look like :D


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