19 Nov 2011: SEQ: 'BUZ off' to Bulimba and Balmoral parking woes!

[Otto]

Hmm... the current 230 (correct if I'm wrong) goes via Bulimba Street- I would suggest that it go via Kenbury Street and a bus stop be added near the entrance road to what appears to be a very large, recent, dense development.

http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?msid=204350325552490639956.0004b5332628d18b83246&msa=0&ll=-27.443773,153.055687&spn=0.003094,0.010943

Until recently, the 230 did travel along Kenbury Street. The 230 was pulled from there because of safety concerns, the narrowness of the street and difficulty of passing.. Add to that the campaign by some locals to remove buses from the street.

[#Metro]

Until recently, the 230 did travel along Kenbury Street. The 230 was pulled from there because of safety concerns, the narrowness of the street and difficulty of passing.. Add to that the campaign by some locals to remove buses from the street.

By that logic route 411 should be pulled! Passing can be solved by spraying yellow paint along one or both sides of the road.

Shame-- oh well, no BUZ for them! They can use 'Car Rapid Transit' instead.

[Golliwog]

Well for starters, trying to get to Hawthorne Cinemas, I would have had a look what time the next upriver Citycat came through Bulimba, as the Hawthorne Citycat terminal is 600m from the cinemas. But for a bus route, I don't know, something like a local service taking say the 230's route through Bulimba (maybe run partway down Hawthorne Rd if having a stop right outside the cinemas is important) then go outbound on Wynnum Rd to Cannon Hill SC or something like that. Serving Bulimba with PT doesn't have to require a bus to the city. If the Citycat frequency was increased in the evenings then that can take that pressure off the need for a city bus. Or if you don't want to go all the way to Cannon Hill, you could head inbound and terminate at the Norman Park ferry terminal so it can feed the ferry (though Norman Park is only a cross river ferry, not the Citycat) in both directions. Buses could probably use Bodalla St and Norman Ave to turnaround.

[#Metro]

Are we talking about the same cinemas here?

The Bulimba Balmoral Cinemas are on oxford street, and there is another cinema in Hawthorne (run by the same company).

But for a bus route, I don't know, something like a local service taking say the 230's route through Bulimba (maybe run partway down Hawthorne Rd if having a stop right outside the cinemas is important) then go outbound on Wynnum Rd to Cannon Hill SC or something like that. Serving Bulimba with PT doesn't have to require a bus to the city. If the Citycat frequency was increased in the evenings then that can take that pressure off the need for a city bus. Or if you don't want to go all the way to Cannon Hill, you could head inbound and terminate at the Norman Park ferry terminal so it can feed the ferry (though Norman Park is only a cross river ferry, not the Citycat) in both directions. Buses could probably use Bodalla St and Norman Ave to turnaround.

Any BUZ will have an impact on the ferry. Some may use it to get to the ferry (such as all the transfers from CityGlider and 199 to the tenneriffe ferry), others may subsitute the bus for the ferry (such as 192 versus West End Citycat) and others might give up their cars. Few people are going to walk 600 meters, the terminal is just so far, and you have a transfer involved at Cannon Hill (we don't have a CFN BUZ to connect to Cannon hill yet - that would be the BUZ 245 / Wynnum Road BUZ).

Let's see what happens. Ultimately it is up to TL to decide.

[Golliwog]

Huh, did not know there were two cinemas down that way, I've only ever been to the Hawthorne ones I mentioned. And the point of going to Cannon Hill wasn't necessarily about interchanging to a city bound bus, but to get to a local center, where I believe, a bunch of other routes also meet up.

[#Metro]

There is 

http://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=bulimba&ll=-27.451397,153.059681&spn=0.000785,0.003406&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&hnear=Bulimba+Queensland&gl=au&t=h&z=19&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=-27.451397,153.059681&panoid=KgadI9PKo3EH_Lu5-SIXjQ&cbp=11,343.19,,0,-0.99

[HappyTrainGuy]

Who cares about the cinema. Look at the $15 steak lunch opposite 

[#Metro]

Oh, HTG, I've eaten there twice this month! The steak is amazing and if you go in the evening it is actually $10!*

* You have to buy a drink though (mandatory) so that makes it around $14, all up. Highly recommended.

[HappyTrainGuy]

BUZ IT NOW!!!!!!

[somebody]

If Riding Rd gets the BUZ, then I want it Cultural Centre-Adelaide St-Ivory St-Story Bridge etc.

[#Metro]

BUZ IT NOW!!!!!!

HTG, we all know your ulterior motives for getting this upgrade  

Who cares about the cinema. Look at the $15 steak lunch opposite  rofl

230 $15 Steak BUZ
via Yum Yum!

[HappyTrainGuy]

That's taken completly out of context! *Wipes sweat from forehead while trying not to look so suspicious.*

Although I don't have a problem with seeing the 230 $15 steak buz being implimented

[somebody]

$15 steaks are a dime a dozen, and most of them don't require you to buy a drink.  Not that most people don't buy the drink anyway.

[O_128]

Heres my newest idea.

230 BUZ - Rerouted via hawthorne road terminates at bulimba city cat
232 - Carindale to Bulimba ferry via riding road (Big trip generators along the entire route, Carindale - Cannon Hill -Morningside shops - Riding road shops - Oxford street)
235 BUZ - Via story bridge and Thyne road terminates at bulimba ferry.

235 is out the way from the ferry for most of its route, 230 Gives people the option to travel to city on the bus or change to a city cat. East Brisbane gets 4 buses per hour and wynnum road and in particular kangaroo point gets a massive boost.
the 232 is effectively the welfare route but actually has a direction and would be very well patronised and means that people on riding road can then choose to get a citycat.

[#Metro]

232 - Carindale to Bulimba ferry via riding road (Big trip generators along the entire route, Carindale - Cannon Hill -Morningside shops - Riding road shops - Oxford street)

I'd be tempted to send the expresses and any low frequency routes (232) via Hawthorne Rd and Carr and Stuart street. Although I can see the grid in Bulimba - Riding Road is on an awkward diagonal and if BUZ went down Hawthorne and Thynne then the max walk would be 500m - which is not bad and it covers the area well.

I see a need for 2 BUZ routes. West End has 2 BUZ routes (199/CityGlider) as does New Farm (199/196) and both form pockets like Bulimba does.

I think it is a bit odd that we have two entirely pre-paid routes P236 and P231 which are identical to their parent routes (235 and 230)
except that one is pre-paid and one isn't.

Why bother! It's like having a P199 and P196! More numbers to remember!
I hope they incorporate these buses into the parent routes, and just introduce 100% electronic ticketing.

[SurfRail]

I think it is a bit odd that we have two entirely pre-paid routes P236 and P231 which are identical to their parent routes (235 and 230) except that one is pre-paid and one isn't.

Psst... Story Bridge...

Although I agree with the sentiment.  The number of peak hour variations should be kept to an absolute minimum (which in an ideal world would be to limit the variation to the frequency of service only...)

[somebody]

I think it is a bit odd that we have two entirely pre-paid routes P236 and P231 which are identical to their parent routes (235 and 230) except that one is pre-paid and one isn't.

Psst... Story Bridge...

Although I agree with the sentiment.  The number of peak hour variations should be kept to an absolute minimum (which in an ideal world would be to limit the variation to the frequency of service only...)

I think the peak hour variation is needed to some degree.  I don't see routes from Warrigal Rd via CCB and via South Bank off peak, for example.

[ozbob]

From the Couriermail Quest click here!

Bulimba needs more bus services says public transport advocate

Bulimba needs more bus services says public transport advocate

    by: Alex Strachan, South-East Advertiser
    From: Quest Newspapers
    January 03, 2012 3:56PM

PUBLIC transport advocate Rail Back on Track says Brisbane City Council should introduce a BUZ bus service to Bulimba to solve the area's parking problems.

Rail Back on Track spokesman Robert Dow said last year's Bulimba paid parking row could have been avoided if more bus routes serviced the area. He proposed a BUZ service to Bulimba and Balmoral through Thynne Rd and Riding Rd.

"It is surprising that a suburb like Bulimba, with the cinema and popular restaurant district, does not have a BUZ service," spokesman Robert Dow said. "Frequent bus services are good for people, good for business and good for development."

Lord Mayor Graham Quirk said while TransLink had the final say on bus routes, he would throw his weight behind any move to get more high-frequency bus services into the suburbs, particularly at busy shopping precincts.

"If the Government's going to raise bus fares 15 per cent every year until 2014 then the extra money they're generating needs to go back into suburban services," he said.

[somebody]

Interesting.  By highlighting the parking angle we got published.

A win is a win, however small.

[#Metro]

Lord Mayor Graham Quirk said while TransLink had the final say on bus routes, he would throw his weight behind any move to get more high-frequency bus services into the suburbs, particularly at busy shopping precincts.

"If the Government's going to raise bus fares 15 per cent every year until 2014 then the extra money they're generating needs to go back into suburban services," he said.

Oh, public transport to solve the parking problem, whodda thought??

One bus = 85 parking spaces.

[#Metro]

I have to say, I am surprised at the lack of backlash against the fare rises in the media.
It has been very quiet.

People make the connection between improved services and frequency... and more fares.

The inefficient cash-eating non-BUZ 'coverage' routes that duplicate high frequency corridors need to go though - the 'bush' needs pruning.

[Mr X]

^^ Wrong, soooo wrong. 

4BC and other talk back radio has been going off about it, the "corrupt Labor Government" sending people broke, how the LNP "does it better", "my cousin from Melbourne had to pay twice what they'd pay for a similar service".....

[#Metro]

4BC and other talk back radio has been going off about it, the "corrupt Labor Government" sending people broke, how the LNP "does it better", "my cousin from Melbourne had to pay twice what they'd pay for a similar service".....

I though the LNP was all about 'user-pays' and government subsidy REDUCTION... oops!!! 

[Mr X]

Indeed! But tell the average punter that