Cross Town Routes

[achiruel]

What new cross-town routes would people like to see?

I think the GCL should be broken up into sections, e.g. GU - Carindale, Carindale - Toombul, Toombul - Mitchelton, Mitchelton - Toowong, Toowong - GU.

Also a connection between the Ipswich and Beenleigh lines say from Redbank to Loganlea or Kingston via Browns Plains using the Logan Mwy.  This would help the ridiculously long travel times from Redbank or west to Kingston/Loganlea and points south.

The Gap to UQ

And an inner-city orbital route.

[Golliwog]

I was never a big fan of The Gap to UQ route. I see the need, but think duplicating the 385 for much of the route isn't needed. Why not encourage interchange at Bardon (I'm assuming here the route would run from there to Toowong and onto UQ) and then keep heading north along Jubilee Tce? End it say at Enogerra station or something like that.

[SurfRail]

Wacol to Springwood in a beeline along Progress / Richlands Station / Poinsettia / Inala / King / Learoyd / Beaudesert / Compton.

Springfield to Ipswich via August Parkway, Redbank Plains Rd, Booval Fair and Brisbane Rd.

Highland Park / Carrara / Ross Street / Currumburra Road / Griffith Uni.

Realign the 747 to service Bond University and the Market Square precinct to replace the 748 leg between Robina Town Centre and Bond Uni.

Browns Plains to Beenleigh via a more direct route than what is currently on offer.

Mitchelton to DFO via current 358 route to Toombul and then the 308 route.

Generally speaking, I think the northside is ripe for plenty of this due to the more grid-like nature of the east-west roads and greater penetration of rail network.

[somebody]

Chermside-PA Hospital, replacing 370 and eastern part of 475/6.

Sandgate-Strathpine via Bracken Ridge (stolen idea).

[Bulimba30A]

Bulimba - Carindale via Morningside rail and seven hills

Make 225 (Wynnum - Carindale) full time

[achiruel]

Here are some maps from the suggestions in this thread:

Bulimba - Carindale via Morningside Station & Seven Hills (suggested by Bulimba 30A):

http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?msid=200734266661642748737.0004a66b572e9d05604fc&msa=0

Redbank Plaza - Loganlea Station via Redbank Station & Grand Plaza

http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?msid=200734266661642748737.0004a66703a10db0c4b2e&msa=0

Grand Plaza - Beenleigh Station via Waterford West & Edens Landing (suggested by SurfRail)

http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?msid=200734266661642748737.0004a66725508727c7afb&msa=0

And one I've been thinking about for a while, Garden City to Beenleigh Station via Logan Rd, Kingston Rd, Kingston Station & Edens Landing.

http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?msid=200734266661642748737.0004a6675ab68efbad4e3&msa=0

[#Metro]

Just fix up the GCL!

[somebody]

Just fix up the GCL!

Exactly what I was thinking when I read this:

Make 225 (Wynnum - Carindale) full time

GCL does connect the Cleveland line with Carindale at a reasonably high speed.

[O_128]

Connecting Woolongabba to Kangaroo point would be good

[SurfRail]

Connecting Woolongabba to Kangaroo point would be good

I believe a route travelling between RBWH and the Gabba via KP is in the pipeline.

[Bulimba30A]

Make 225 (Wynnum - Carindale) full time

GCL does connect the Cleveland line with Carindale at a reasonably high speed.
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That is if you are actually close to the rail line in the first place.  Even then, it would depend on connection (although I haven't checked recently what the typical connection time is), with 30 min service connecting with 30 min service on weekdays and 30 min service (train) connecting with 60 min service (GCL) on Saturdays with no option on Sundays.

There is also the option of 220/227 connecting at Cannon Hill (GCL) or Tingalpa (215), so I agree it is possible on the current system but not terribly easy I would suggest.  Much better idea I would have thought is to have a full time through service running down Belmont Rd with reasonable connections at Tingalpa - that is actually quite a useful intersection as the 2 major roads from Wynnum/Manly run through there.  I think it has been suggested before as an interchange, although the intersection in its current form (and stop placement) is not immediately conducive to easy connections, partiuclarly in the heat or rain.

[achiruel]

Just fix up the GCL!

GCL does need fixing, but that won't solve the whole problem - for example Redbank to Loganlea (needed to join the outer Ipswich and Beenleigh lines) is outside the BCC area and therefore will not be helped by the GCL.

GCL does connect the Cleveland line with Carindale at a reasonably high speed.

True, but Carindale to Wynnum will serve quite a different route from Carindale to Murrarie.

Suggestion for a Carindale to Wynnum route:

http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?msid=200734266661642748737.0004a670607f38c134570&msa=0&ll=-27.471572,153.133621&spn=0.12093,0.154324

[somebody]

Connecting Woolongabba to Kangaroo point would be good

I believe a route travelling between RBWH and the Gabba via KP is in the pipeline.

No doubt that the 475/6 will continue on their current routes once this is done.

[achiruel]

Perhaps the 66 could be extended to loop back to Woolloongabba Busway Station via the Story Bridge.  Is it possible for buses to turn right from Main St into Woolloongabba?

[Golliwog]

Perhaps the 66 could be extended to loop back to Woolloongabba Busway Station via the Story Bridge.  Is it possible for buses to turn right from Main St into Woolloongabba?

I've suggested this before, don't recall getting much support. IIRC there isn't a turning lane from Main St into the busway, and if it was implemented, would be odd due to the turning circle of buses.

[Bulimba30A]

Perhaps the 66 could be extended to loop back to Woolloongabba Busway Station via the Story Bridge.  Is it possible for buses to turn right from Main St into Woolloongabba?

I've suggested this before, don't recall getting much support. IIRC there isn't a turning lane from Main St into the busway, and if it was implemented, would be odd due to the turning circle of buses.

I would definitely support that idea.  Main St (and also Shafston Ave - but that would have to be dealt with separately) have terrible services considering the proximity to the City and high density population.  Granted, the ferries are there but they are really only useful for the City itself.

Something I have suggested before (but probably didn't articulate well) is a service which goes direct from Southbank to Normanby via William Jolly Bridge (bypassing City and Roma St) for a direct route from the southside to Kelvin Grove and RBWH - kinda like an inner loop idea.

[SurfRail]

Perhaps the 66 could be extended to loop back to Woolloongabba Busway Station via the Story Bridge.  Is it possible for buses to turn right from Main St into Woolloongabba?

I've suggested this before, don't recall getting much support. IIRC there isn't a turning lane from Main St into the busway, and if it was implemented, would be odd due to the turning circle of buses.

The 66 is probably not the best service for this.  Using the higher capacity vehicles and high frequency deployed on the existing 66 on the "new" leg would be a waste of resources, and keeping it on the busway maximises its reliability.

[Golliwog]

I would tend to agree. However for the record, my original suggestion did involve bus lanes between Woollongabba and the RBWH. But thats not likely to happen soon.

[Mr X]

UQ - Boggo Road - PA Hospital - Buranda - Woolloongabba
Could be route 99 or 55? (Seeing as we have a 66, 77 and 88 continue the trend!) and this would solve the pax who just want to get to Boggo Rd from UQ and free up space on the 109, as well as providing a connection to Woolloongabba once the 209 goes via Stones Corner when the busway opens.

[O_128]

UQ - Boggo Road - PA Hospital - Buranda - Woolloongabba
Could be route 99 or 55? (Seeing as we have a 66, 77 and 88 continue the trend!) and this would solve the pax who just want to get to Boggo Rd from UQ and free up space on the 109, as well as providing a connection to Woolloongabba once the 209 goes via Stones Corner when the busway opens.

Only issue is is that you cant serve Buranda, but other than that would like to see it, Maybe even go to carindale via wynnum road and cannon hill.

[Mr X]

Oops brain wasn't in mode, forgot Buranda was south of that junction! Ok skip Buranda off that list.

[somebody]

I'd extend to somewhere on Wynnum Rd to allow interchange to 227/231/232/236.  And add a stop for the 221/216.

[Bulimba30A]

Living on the Wynnum Rd corridor, I would always support any service going down Wynnum Rd. 

I think the interchange should be at the Norman Pk Ferry on Wynnum Rd (with the 216 and 221 stopping there as well as Morningside Station) so providing connections to New Farm.  I think there is some merit in extending to Tingalpa.  If its going to UQ, 229 I think would make better sense for a number.

Seriously, an overhaul of the Wynnum Rd corridor into some sort of combined high frequency route between the Story Bridge and Tingalpa would solve a lot of connectivity issues with the Eastern Suburbs north of Old Cleveland Rd (including Shafston Ave), and think that it would need to be a "network" discussion rather than isolated routes.

I'm not sure effectively duplicating the GCL from Cannon Hill to Carindale is needed (as others have said, improve frequency and hours of operation on the GCL would be better).

[O_128]

Living on the Wynnum Rd corridor, I would always support any service going down Wynnum Rd. 

I think the interchange should be at the Norman Pk Ferry on Wynnum Rd (with the 216 and 221 stopping there as well as Morningside Station) so providing connections to New Farm.  I think there is some merit in extending to Tingalpa.  If its going to UQ, 229 I think would make better sense for a number.

Seriously, an overhaul of the Wynnum Rd corridor into some sort of combined high frequency route between the Story Bridge and Tingalpa would solve a lot of connectivity issues with the Eastern Suburbs north of Old Cleveland Rd (including Shafston Ave), and think that it would need to be a "network" discussion rather than isolated routes.

I'm not sure effectively duplicating the GCL from Cannon Hill to Carindale is needed (as others have said, improve frequency and hours of operation on the GCL would be better).

Its amazing how little service this is along wynnum road considering it is medium density out to cannon hill, Norman park ferry would be a good stop all thats needed is some legibility to the stop as its nestled away.

[achiruel]

UQ - Boggo Road - PA Hospital - Buranda - Woolloongabba
Could be route 99 or 55? (Seeing as we have a 66, 77 and 88 continue the trend!) and this would solve the pax who just want to get to Boggo Rd from UQ and free up space on the 109, as well as providing a connection to Woolloongabba once the 209 goes via Stones Corner when the busway opens.

Well that route will now exist from Aug 29th (minus Buranda) as the Route 29 (;Gabba-UQ)

Not sure why this number was chosen as it doesn't seem to fit in with other numbering schemes.  I would've preferred the 69 but I think that might've raised a few eyebrows

Another route I think would be a good idea.

http://maps.google.com.au/maps?saddr=Macgregor+St&daddr=-27.57086,153.06434+to:-27.563789,153.0157441+to:-27.5733183,152.9691091+to:darra+station&hl=en&ll=-27.569461,153.035946&spn=0.144865,0.209255&sll=-27.567558,152.973933&sspn=0.036217,0.052314&geocode=FQBlW_4dJtkfCQ%3BFVRNW_4dlJMfCSm7TtUz2ESRazHgZfF-f2xtew%3BFfNoW_4dwNUeCSlNgWKwWEWRazFgDjfMWqMCEw%3BFbpDW_4dlR8eCSlFdgigrU-RazEhiDfMWqMCEw%3BFeVgW_4dNN8dCSnvjFHjRE6RazHwkjPqW6MCHQ&mra=dpe&mrsp=3&sz=15&via=1,2,3&t=h&z=13

Garden City to Darra Station via Mains Rd/McCullough St/Boundary Rd.

Why not go directly along Kessels/Riawena Rd?

1. Connection with Beenleigh/Gold Coast trains at Coopers Plains
2. Connection to Sunnybank Plaza
3. Boundary Rd is (from memory) less hilly so better suited to buses
4. During peak hour at least, may actually be faster due to heavier traffic on Riawena/Kessels Rds
5. Riawena Rd in places is a pseudo-motorway and connection with local streets for pedestrian access is poor

For these reason I think it is worth the extra couple of minutes per trip to take the Boundary Rd route.

I also wondered about going around Barton & Batham Rd around Archerfield Aerodrome and the onto Boundary Rd again but didn't really see the trip generators to support the extra time/distance in this instance.

[Golliwog]

29 is a shortened version of 209 which currently services UQ-Gabba. Though its unclear if it still does post EB2.

[somebody]

How about Carindale-Valley via Old Cleveland Rd, Deshon St, Main St, Storey Bridge?  Seems to allay the concerns about the 200 not going via the Gabba if it uses the Eastern Busway.

There is also the (stolen idea) about the 79 - Chermside - UQ via Clem7.  Better than the 77.

[Mr X]

People would complain that it doesn't service Woolloongabba itself 

[somebody]

That would be perhaps the most ridiculous complaint I've ever heard!  Anyone can see that is not practical.

[O_128]

That would be perhaps the most ridiculous complaint I've ever heard!  Anyone can see that is
not practical.

You keep forgetting to add the we live in brisbane to every sentence, hence why lazy people slow my bus down because the stops are 100m together.

[Mr X]

That would be perhaps the most ridiculous complaint I've ever heard!  Anyone can see that is
not practical.

You keep forgetting to add the we live in brisbane to every sentence, hence why lazy people slow my bus down because the stops are 100m together.

Yep.
Just like the fact the 196 has a stop 2 intersections back from the Cultural Centre.
Or that there are 3 bus stops each side of a reasonably short street (Browning St)
Or the fact there is a stop both inside and outside Fairfield shops, saving someone a 30 METRE walk.

I am truely surprised none of the courier mail NIMBYs have complained about no bus connecting Woolloongabba and Garden City! Astounding  

[somebody]

I am truely surprised none of the courier mail NIMBYs have complained about no bus connecting Woolloongabba and Garden City! Astounding  

That would actually be a pretty good idea.  I wonder if continuing to the Valley via the Storey Bridge would work out?  Require some minor roadworks to allow the right turn from Main St into the bus station.

[SurfRail]

I am truely surprised none of the courier mail NIMBYs have complained about no bus connecting Woolloongabba and Garden City! Astounding  

There are plenty, just none via the busway.

I don't think they would care frankly - some people are so obssessed with single seat trips they will go out of their way to avoid transferring, even if it would make the trip twice as quick (and not including wait time).

[somebody]

Connecting Woolongabba to Kangaroo point would be good

Actually isn't it already, by 475/476?

[achiruel]

Connecting Woolongabba to Kangaroo point would be good

Actually isn't it already, by 475/476?

It would be nice for it to be a frequent, reliable route though, not one that turns up whenever it feels like it.