125...Moorooka - Garden City?

[Gazza]

http://translink.com.au/resources/travel-information/network-information/timetables/120220-110,115.pdf

Just wondering, but what about terminating the 125 at Moorooka Station? People heading to the CBD would either go to Garden city where it terminates, or go to Moorooka station where they could use either the 100, or the train.


houghts?

[somebody]

What is with the obsession with chopping the city, where a sizeable portion of people are going, off every route?

125 follows the 120 for a sizeable portion of its route so I would have thought that would be a more ripe fruit to pick.

[Gazza]

What is with the obsession with chopping the city, where a sizeable portion of people are going, off every route?

On lightly loaded, low frequency routes it makes more sense to concentrate these pax onto a main route. This reduces CBD congestion, and running costs.

[#Metro]

I'm going to suggest that until Moorooka is served by 15 minute frequent services, then I don't really see it happening.

The 124 and 125 need to be combined and then perhaps BUZzed as well. The irony is that the tram system used to be fed at Moorooka by buses...
There does need to be a decent, simple, frequent link between Garden City and the Beenleigh Rail line and at the moment that is very hard to see.

[Gazza]

I'm going to suggest that until Moorooka is served by 15 minute frequent services, then I don't really see it happening.

100 BUZ?

[#Metro]

Would that work Gazza? Last time I saw the 100 BUZ leave in peak hour it was absolutely full, you could not fit another person on it if you tried.
All this interchanging also requires a decent CFN map or people will just assume that there is no onward connection.

A LEGIBLE, FREQUENT link between the Beenleigh line and the Busway is really needed to help complete the grid/spiderweb. I once tried to go from Garden City to Coopers plains in the evening and I had to go via the CBD - total and utter waste of my time. The two suburbs are practically next door to each other and yet on PT, it was just ridiculous.

Nonsense like this:

[SurfRail]

I don't think the 125 is the route to be playing with.  I remember this being packed even in 2004/2005 when I was in my "see the entire network" phase while at uni.

I agree about merging the 124/125.  So many of these annoying routes which are effectively variations on a theme and could be delivered differently:

174/175 - merge, serve Newnham Rd with the 590, serve Creek Rd with a Logan/Creek/Cavendish route
184/185 - just remove the 184 and double the 185
310/315 - remove the 315, use the funding for more 310s and allocate Hornibrooks 14.5m buses to the 680
380/381 - merge and have 2 BUZ routes to The Gap (385 covers north of Waterworks Rd, 380 to the south)

Etc

[somebody]

I'm going to suggest that until Moorooka is served by 15 minute frequent services, then I don't really see it happening.

The 124 and 125 need to be combined and then perhaps BUZzed as well. The irony is that the tram system used to be fed at Moorooka by buses...
There does need to be a decent, simple, frequent link between Garden City and the Beenleigh Rail line and at the moment that is very hard to see.

Agree with this.  Chop Rocklea off the 116 - follow the 121 route from Sarah St to Salisbury, remove the 121 and combine the 124 & 125 onto a single route via Lillian Ave or near street to Sunnybank Plaza.  And review the stops of the tail of the 120.

[Golliwog]

What is with the obsession with chopping the city, where a sizeable portion of people are going, off every route?

It's the whole idea of a trunk and feeder network, which is what Translink is aiming for. While I'm not familiar with this route, so I'm not going to comment in terms of loadings, etc, there are certainly plenty of routes that this could and should be done with. The Moggill Rd/Coro Drive corridor is a big example of that.

[somebody]

What is with the obsession with chopping the city, where a sizeable portion of people are going, off every route?

It's the whole idea of a trunk and feeder network, which is what Translink is aiming for. While I'm not familiar with this route, so I'm not going to comment in terms of loadings, etc, there are certainly plenty of routes that this could and should be done with. The Moggill Rd/Coro Drive corridor is a big example of that.

Well the second thing would be to remove the 88 from Coro which cannot be done while the 444 is separated from the 425/430/435/450/453/454/460.

But God forbid that the system should be fixed up!

[Gazza]

which cannot be done while the 444 is separated from the 425/430/435/450/453/454/460.

What was happening from 2008 (KGS opening) to the end of 2010 (P88 Establishment)?

[somebody]

A lot more full buses.  That was also before evening/weekend 15 minute train frequency.

[Golliwog]

What I'd do with the Moggill/Coro corridor would be to terminate most of those routes at Indro (or Indro station if they ever get a bus interchange) and run the 444, possibly the P88 and then say the 450 or 460 as BUZ grade routes continuing to the CBD. You don't need every bus to go all the way in.

[Gazza]

But God forbid that the system should be fixed up!

Would actually take some changes, such as
-getting rid of the 460 beyond Mt Ommaney.
-454/453/450 would be part of the whole Centenary Suburbs BUZ idea so should change radically anyway
-430 only going as far as Indro offpeak (Change to a 444/Centenary BUZ)

[somebody]

What was happening from 2008 (KGS opening) to the end of 2010 (P88 Establishment)?

Further answer: http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/southeast-queenslands-worst-bus-route-444/story-e6freon6-1225766088074

[Gazza]

That was mostly about rude staff though?
What has that got to do with anything.

[somebody]

 

So you can't see a link between a bus failing to pick up and a bus being full?  Or carrying higher loadings and having poor reliability?

444 is not as busy as a 130 or 150, so unless you are saying that Toowong and Richlands drivers are of a lower quality than some other depots in their customer relations skills, I think you've lost the case.

[#Metro]

I think it might be time to draw!

[kazzac]

I'm going to suggest that until Moorooka is served by 15 minute frequent services, then I don't really see it happening.

The 124 and 125 need to be combined and then perhaps BUZzed as well. The irony is that the tram system used to be fed at Moorooka by buses...
There does need to be a decent, simple, frequent link between Garden City and the Beenleigh Rail line and at the moment that is very hard to see.

Agree with this.  Chop Rocklea off the 116 - follow the 121 route from Sarah St to Salisbury, remove the 121 and combine the 124 & 125 onto a single route via Lillian Ave or near street to Sunnybank Plaza.  And review the stops of the tail of the 120.

Or  either 124 or 125 could be deleted   or combined into one route,atm both routes have an hourly frequency during the day.]I would prefer  to have a 110 BUZ one day since this route is already an express service,its not frequent enough ,every half hour or 45 minutes .

[somebody]

Twice hourly weekday daytimes.  Combines with the 124 but doesn't quite achieve a 20 minute frequency.

[achiruel]

This is what I would like to see for the area:

http://goo.gl/maps/AKjVQ

120 - remain BUZ
121 - to become a full time route, running 30 minutes until 6am-9pm Mon-Sat, til 7pm on Sun and 15 minutes during peak hour.  I think it's too close to both 120 and 100 to be realistic for a BUZ.
124/125 combined into the green route, same running hours as 121

117, few minor changes, I think not having it serve Acacia Ridge Hotel is a big FAIL (drink driving anyone?) and also extended to Calamvale Central Shopping Centre (largest shops in area with Big W/Woolworths, several cafes, Kmart/Coles across the road, and also serving another pub. Watson Rd etc served by 110 and interchange at Elizabeth St if required. Together create a 15 minute frequency along Beaudesert Rd through Moorooka and north of Clifton Hill combined with 100 BUZ to give average 7.5 minutes at express stops.

[somebody]

Not bad.  But a full time 121 would mean there is no room for the 116, I'd say - A big reduction on Annerley Rd.

Bus review has suggested the 125 would run to Griffith Uni Busway.  I think this is a good plan.

117 - Stops running before many people are drinking.  So you decided it wasn't necessary to have a transfer at the same stop with the 130+140?

[kazzac]

I agree Beaudesart Rd between Moorooka and Acacia Ridge needs a 15 minute frequency, maybe shared between Routes 110,115, 117 and 125.ATM these services seem to be only about 5 minutes apart I/b on weekdays  between 3  and 3.30pm through Moorooka   then a 20/30 minute wait for a service.   >:(If I'm ever without a car again that would be my only way of getting home in arvo,route 124 not frequent enough, [ closest route to work] neither is I/b Ferny Grove train service from Salisbury Station :

[achiruel]

Not bad.  But a full time 121 would mean there is no room for the 116, I'd say - A big reduction on Annerley Rd.

The 116 and 121 only overlap for a small section of each route (even less considering my 'extended' 121).  I don't see this as a huge issue - routes often overlap for small sections, besides it provides interchange opportunities.

117 - Stops running before many people are drinking.  So you decided it wasn't necessary to have a transfer at the same stop with the 130+140?

Needs operating hours extended, til 9pm weeknights/Sat, and how about a Sunday service also?  And yes, good point, it should connect with 130/140.  I'm just not sure how it would turn around, I thought there was a turnaround facility at Calamvale Central shopping centre?

[somebody]

The 116 and 121 only overlap for a small section of each route (even less considering my 'extended' 121).  I don't see this as a huge issue - routes often overlap for small sections, besides it provides interchange opportunities.

That small section is a fair part of the reason for both routes existing.  +Annerley Rd in the case of the 116.

Needs operating hours extended, til 9pm weeknights/Sat, and how about a Sunday service also?  And yes, good point, it should connect with 130/140.  I'm just not sure how it would turn around, I thought there was a turnaround facility at Calamvale Central shopping centre?

Saturday services would help too.

[techblitz]

the only services to acacia ridge hotel/leisure center area is the lacklustre 540 which will in the near future be cut in between the city and browns plains.Which now means no services at all to that section as all services duck into the residential burbs of acacia ridge to catch more pax.
Perhaps the reason the 117,115 is cancelled on weekends is due to the lack of weekday workers which use the service along beaudesert rd..but is that a fair enough reason to cancel the weekend services for a fair amount of acacia ridge residents?.
Who knows how the translink think tank works    . A small positive is the weekend 110 service.
But at least we know that 117 is also up for review and all going well the acacia ridge hotel area may get served by the 117.

[somebody]

110 is a short walk to Acacia Ridge Hotel Motel.