88 is an air parcel service FROM Indooroopilly to the City

[somebody]

Why?  Because the majority of the patronage on the corridor boards at Indooroopilly interchange.  High St, Toowong also sees fairly significant outbound boardings and inbound alightings on the 4xx services, but the 88 is less popular there for obvious reasons.

I've seen few people cross the river from Milton or beyond to Buranda also.  I think the through town aspect isn't that useful, even though I have used it myself on a few occasions.

Today, I was heading in to the city.  Walked past stop 24 at about 12:50pm where the 88 wasn't leaving until 1pm, and the 444 was supposed to arrive at Indro at 12:54pm, however the 444 didn't turn up.  I ended up using a 430 at about 1:05pm.  It is pretty frustrating when you see the 88 going by because it doesn't serve the interchange, and its not exactly that unusual, even though I have the relevant parts of the timetable memorised.

[SurfRail]

Indooroopilly interchange is clearly not optimised for use as a terminus.  Only low frequency services end up there.

I think this begs the question - why can't the P88 operate as a through service via the interchange and finish up at the railway station?

[somebody]

Indooroopilly interchange is clearly not optimised for use as a terminus.  Only low frequency services end up there.

I think this begs the question - why can't the P88 operate as a through service via the interchange and finish up at the railway station?

Interesting idea but the railway station has even worse facilities for turning around buses.  Perhaps you have something in mind?

In my observations, the buses often don't lay over at stop 24, but continue around the block like the low frequency services do.

There is no need to mess with the layover arrangements.  Just serve the interchange on the inbound run.  PLEASE!  It's not that hard.

If you were actually serious about improving Brisbane's PT, you could also extend it to somewhere useful, such as along the current 425 route, or maybe 430.  But that means it needs to be BUZ, really.

Honestly, if Translink hadn't have sodomised the network on the opening of KGSBS, route 88 wouldn't exist.

[AnonymouslyBad]

Yes, it should stop at Indooroopilly interchange. It does seem to get less patronage on the inbound because of the odd stop arrangements. The same thing is seen in reverse on the rockets; busy inbound, far too empty (for the time of day) outbound.

Though I'm sure it's a capacity issue.

I've seen few people cross the river from Milton or beyond to Buranda also.  I think the through town aspect isn't that useful, even though I have used it myself on a few occasions.

It's well used cross-town at the peak times (well enough to justify cutting the city out altogether). There probably aren't many cross-town trips in the middle of the day, but then it's close to an air parcel in the middle of the day regardless.

[somebody]

Yes, it should stop at Indooroopilly interchange. It does seem to get less patronage on the inbound because of the odd stop arrangements. The same thing is seen in reverse on the rockets; busy inbound, far too empty (for the time of day) outbound.

Though I'm sure it's a capacity issue.

And I'm sure it's not.  PM peak stops: http://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=6337.0

Equally, the 4xx Express services get weak loadings O/B.

I've seen few people cross the river from Milton or beyond to Buranda also.  I think the through town aspect isn't that useful, even though I have used it myself on a few occasions.

It's well used cross-town at the peak times (well enough to justify cutting the city out altogether). There probably aren't many cross-town trips in the middle of the day, but then it's close to an air parcel in the middle of the day regardless.

I would imagine this is mostly Milton workers?

[Gazza]

Interesting idea but the railway station has even worse facilities for turning around buses.

Whip around the block?

[AnonymouslyBad]

I would imagine this is mostly Milton workers?

Yeah, Milton/Toowong area. Not sure what the loading are like the other way but I'm sure they're less.

[somebody]

Having worked in Milton, I can report that it takes a good 5 minutes to get from where you get off the bus on Coronation Drive to the other footpath in peak hour.  I think this service is far better provided by rail, with interchange.  It would be pretty good heading home though, I guess, to be able to get on an 88.

[AnonymouslyBad]

Having worked in Milton, I can report that it takes a good 5 minutes to get from where you get off the bus on Coronation Drive to the other footpath in peak hour.  I think this service is far better provided by rail, with interchange.  It would be pretty good heading home though, I guess, to be able to get on an 88.

Yeah, Coronation Drive is not that fun to cross.

I'd be all for rail with interchange if it were actually in the same league in terms of frequency and travel time. If you got a perfectly timed connection it might be somewhat comparable, but being counter peak that's not likely; even then I can't think of any trips along that corridor where rail or rail+bus would actually be quicker than the 88.

I know, you can't have one bus to everywhere. But the traffic on Coronation Drive speaks for itself. Milton and Toowong are relatively high density areas of employment and they need high quality, high frequency services. From the southside, I just don't see how this can be done by rail unless there's far more counter-peak capacity than we're lead to believe. Coronation Drive is visibly close to the city, and painfully accessible by car, so even a 10 minute transfer time is entirely unattractive to anyone who has the option of driving.

[O_128]

Having worked in Milton, I can report that it takes a good 5 minutes to get from where you get off the bus on Coronation Drive to the other footpath in peak hour.  I think this service is far better provided by rail, with interchange.  It would be pretty good heading home though, I guess, to be able to get on an 88.

Yeah, Coronation Drive is not that fun to cross.

I'd be all for rail with interchange if it were actually in the same league in terms of frequency and travel time. If you got a perfectly timed connection it might be somewhat comparable, but being counter peak that's not likely; even then I can't think of any trips along that corridor where rail or rail+bus would actually be quicker than the 88.

I know, you can't have one bus to everywhere. But the traffic on Coronation Drive speaks for itself. Milton and Toowong are relatively high density areas of employment and they need high quality, high frequency services. From the southside, I just don't see how this can be done by rail unless there's far more counter-peak capacity than we're lead to believe. Coronation Drive is visibly close to the city, and painfully accessible by car, so even a 10 minute transfer time is entirely unattractive to anyone who has the option of driving.

Agree, in the peak Roma street trains need to be extended to indro or darra, a 5min counter peak frequency is needed.

[somebody]

Having worked in Milton, I can report that it takes a good 5 minutes to get from where you get off the bus on Coronation Drive to the other footpath in peak hour.  I think this service is far better provided by rail, with interchange.  It would be pretty good heading home though, I guess, to be able to get on an 88.

Yeah, Coronation Drive is not that fun to cross.

I'd be all for rail with interchange if it were actually in the same league in terms of frequency and travel time. If you got a perfectly timed connection it might be somewhat comparable, but being counter peak that's not likely; even then I can't think of any trips along that corridor where rail or rail+bus would actually be quicker than the 88.

I know, you can't have one bus to everywhere. But the traffic on Coronation Drive speaks for itself. Milton and Toowong are relatively high density areas of employment and they need high quality, high frequency services. From the southside, I just don't see how this can be done by rail unless there's far more counter-peak capacity than we're lead to believe. Coronation Drive is visibly close to the city, and painfully accessible by car, so even a 10 minute transfer time is entirely unattractive to anyone who has the option of driving.

This is one of the failings of the June 2011 timetable.

[O_128]

maybe the 88 should go carindale to indooroopilly? would give the eastern busway a bit more frequency. but really KGS interchange is fine.

[somebody]

maybe the 88 should go carindale to indooroopilly? would give the eastern busway a bit more frequency. but really KGS interchange is fine.

I think o_O has a thing for that one also.

I'm not sure what the big deal is?  It's an easy interchange, and easier at Buranda with routes 88/222.

[Mr X]

maybe the 88 should go carindale to indooroopilly? would give the eastern busway a bit more frequency. but really KGS interchange is fine.

Just send 222 or 200 via captn cook bridge instead?

[Mr X]

maybe the 88 should go carindale to indooroopilly? would give the eastern busway a bit more frequency. but really KGS interchange is fine.

Just send 222 or 200 via captn cook bridge instead?

If we're going to continue on this trend of a bus based PT system (which in itself is flawed, we should be moving to rail) then the 222 should continue as a busway spine and the 200 sent via the eastern busway and then onto the captain cook bridge. The 160 could go via that bridge too to distinct it from the 111 otherwise it should be scrapped.
200/222 and 160/111 should all have similar/the same CBD terminus, as well.

Obviously all these extra buses may require some sort of bus priority on the CCB into the CBD to avoid traffic delays. I think someone once mentioned that constructing a busway alongside the CCB might work and I agree. Services the Parliament area of the CBD too.

[O_128]

Arrrrgh its all hurting my head the more i think about it, Im going to sit down when I have some time and do my own bus map up.

[somebody]

maybe the 88 should go carindale to indooroopilly? would give the eastern busway a bit more frequency. but really KGS interchange is fine.

Just send 222 or 200 via captn cook bridge instead?

If we're going to continue on this trend of a bus based PT system (which in itself is flawed, we should be moving to rail) then the 222 should continue as a busway spine and the 200 sent via the eastern busway and then onto the captain cook bridge. The 160 could go via that bridge too to distinct it from the 111 otherwise it should be scrapped.
200/222 and 160/111 should all have similar/the same CBD terminus, as well.

Obviously all these extra buses may require some sort of bus priority on the CCB into the CBD to avoid traffic delays. I think someone once mentioned that constructing a busway alongside the CCB might work and I agree. Services the Parliament area of the CBD too.

222 would have more merit if the 200 could then run express between Stone's Corner (or Langlands Park) and Carindale.

[Bulimba30A]

maybe the 88 should go carindale to indooroopilly? would give the eastern busway a bit more frequency. but really KGS interchange is fine.

Just send 222 or 200 via captn cook bridge instead?

If we're going to continue on this trend of a bus based PT system (which in itself is flawed, we should be moving to rail) then the 222 should continue as a busway spine and the 200 sent via the eastern busway and then onto the captain cook bridge. The 160 could go via that bridge too to distinct it from the 111 otherwise it should be scrapped.
200/222 and 160/111 should all have similar/the same CBD terminus, as well.

Obviously all these extra buses may require some sort of bus priority on the CCB into the CBD to avoid traffic delays. I think someone once mentioned that constructing a busway alongside the CCB might work and I agree. Services the Parliament area of the CBD too.

+1!!!

[somebody]

http://translink.com.au/travel-information/service-updates/bulletin/1317952948

Catch the P88 from Indooroopilly Shopping Centre
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From Monday 31 October, prepaid route 88 will now stop at the Indooroopilly bus interchange after starting at bus stop 24A on Musgrave Road.

With routes P88 and 444, there are now two high frequency bus options heading into City.

Route P88 runs from Indooroopilly to Eight Mile Plains via Coronation Drive and the City, every 10 minutes during peak, and every 15 minutes off peak between 6am–8pm.

Route P88 stops at the King George Square and Roma Street busway stations in the City, as well as Wesley Hospital, Griffith University, Milton business precinct, Brisbane Boys College and shopping centres at Garden City, Toowong, and Indooroopilly.

A win without even a media release!

[ozbob]