POLL: Which BUZ to Inala?

[somebody]

Basically this is a direct service versus interchange poll.

The 100 is significantly faster, but doesn't allow as much connectivity to Ipswich, Indooroopilly and others.  Interchange at Moorooka with the 100 doesn't add much value.

Extending the 101 to Forest Lake would require the SE Inala/Doonadella loop to be added to the 102 or 103.  The 465 provides an alternative interchange service to Forest Lake, but only every half an hour.  I personally think that the best option would be a 15 minute frequency to Richlands with the 465 meeting every train.

I thought the 465 met every reasonable train at Richlands?  Current timetable timetable has an hourly service.  Has this been cut back from 6/6/11, or is my memory failing me?

[#Metro]

The BUZ service should travel directly down Ipswich Road, stopping every 500 meters or so to keep average speed up, bus lanes must be placed on that road where possible to keep the speed up, along with traffic light priority.

The service should service Moorooka (that's a demand generator and a local activity centre) before proceeding to Inala.

As a stop gap, services could be organised to create a core frequent corridor like Canberra's blue rapid, but ultimately I think
one or two trunk BUZ routes (Garden City and Inala perhaps) , minimum of route number, that runs at very high frequency in a predictable stopping pattern is what's needed, and then once that is in there you can progressively withdraw the rest of the direct services, make them cross towners to Beenleigh rail line (crr will help!) and feed them to rail and this core frequent BUZ (use a larger bus as well). Ultimate vision from my perspective is that you might have a 100 seat triaxle or something doing this corridor with all door boarding, every 2 minutes or so all day which would be great, supplemented by a single high frequency peak hour rocket to pick up slack in the peak times.

Ips. road buses are always confusing- so many bus routes, so many numbers so many different stopping patterns, they really need to get the TransLink Guillotine and steam iron out and do emergency network planning surgery on this one.

The idea of the Core Frequent Network is to get the most by doing the Absolute Minimum you need to service. We should not attempt to BUZ everything- there are over 200 bus routes in Brisbane and at 2 BUZifications per year, it would take ~ 100 years to do them all (or at least AGES for even a portion of that). That approach is not practical.

[Golliwog]

But no one is advocating the BUZing of every route. Not even Translink, they cut the 197, and modified a bunch of other routes when they BUZed the 196.

I would go for a BUZ 100, but extended to Richlands or Darra. Darra would give better interchange for Ipswich bound passengers. Though in the long term (long long LONG term) once the Springfield loop goes in and connects to the back of Ipswich that argument would be moot.

[somebody]

But no one is advocating the BUZing of every route. Not even Translink, they cut the 197, and modified a bunch of other routes when they BUZed the 196.

I would go for a BUZ 100, but extended to Richlands or Darra. Darra would give better interchange for Ipswich bound passengers. Though in the long term (long long LONG term) once the Springfield loop goes in and connects to the back of Ipswich that argument would be moot.

I think we could change the bus network once the Springfield-Ripley-Ipswich loop is implemented, if it ever is.  Equally, we can change parts of the bus system when the Richlands-Springfield line is operational.

You'd be thinking of a 100 extension like Inala Town Centre-Partridge St-College Av-(L) Forest Lake Bvd-(R) Grand Av-(R) Woongaroo St-(R) Lockwood Av-(L) Forest Lake Bvd into Richlands (reversing the direction around Forest Lake)?  It's a good plan.  465 then covers Heathwood.  Although it could still be improved on.

[#Metro]

But no one is advocating the BUZing of every route. Not even Translink, they cut the 197, and modified a bunch of other routes when they BUZed the 196.

All I am doing is pointing out the necessity of interchange as the fastest way to get high frequency everywhere.
Cutting 197 was an excellent move by TransLink  . Fewer routes, but a stronger, more legible network and more frequent too. 

I would go for a BUZ 100, but extended to Richlands or Darra. Darra would give better interchange for Ipswich bound passengers. Though in the long term (long long LONG term) once the Springfield loop goes in and connects to the back of Ipswich that argument would be moot.

I would have the blue route as shown below. Via motorway is probably faster, but less useful. And I would extend it to Forest Lake so that Forest Lake people had the connections to the East (Carindale etc) on the "southside" approach to the Brisbane CBD.

I think we could change the bus network once the Springfield-Ripley-Ipswich loop is implemented, if it ever is.  Equally, we can change parts of the bus system when the Richlands-Springfield line is operational.

No point waiting, bus routes can be changed now and then later when required.

[somebody]

Cutting 197 was an excellent move by TransLink  . Fewer routes, but a stronger, more legible network and more frequent too.  

But less good because the 195 is now doing the silly deviation instead.

I think we could change the bus network once the Springfield-Ripley-Ipswich loop is implemented, if it ever is.  Equally, we can change parts of the bus system when the Richlands-Springfield line is operational.

No point waiting, bus routes can be changed now and then later when required.

That was exactly what I was trying to say.  I suppose I didn't put it well.

Not a fan of your blue route.  That part of Beaudesert Rd could be served by a BUZ 110 or some other equivalent upgrade.  The service isn't too bad at the moment I/B, between the 110,113,115,117,124,125 (not 100% sure about 113/117) although the O/B service is annoying with the City Stop Locations  

It's also too small a part of town to have a dedicated route.

[SurfRail]

I'd like to see the patronage figures on the 100 and 110.  Prima facie, I think whichever service is busier should probably be BUZed first.

[somebody]

I'd like to see the patronage figures on the 100 and 110.  Prima facie, I think whichever service is busier should probably be BUZed first.

100 does have a better service than the 101 at present, so one would expect more pax on that, even on a per trip basis.  I do not think we will get our hands on that data, but I think something should be done here, and I am dubious about the 100 BUZ getting implemented.  101 BUZ/extension has some merit and I think is worthy of consideration.  Intermediate area does not need to be served by the 100, which is different to the 330, 345, Enoggera area, Altandi and Fruitgrove interchange proposals.

[#Metro]

Not a fan of your blue route.  That part of Beaudesert Rd could be served by a BUZ 110 or some other equivalent upgrade.  The service isn't too bad at the moment I/B, between the 110,113,115,117,124,125 (not 100% sure about 113/117) although the O/B service is annoying with the City Stop Locations  protest

It's also too small a part of town to have a dedicated route.

Disagree. That's where the local centre is, the shops are, the main street, the density, the people, so that's where the bus should go IMHO.

I don't accept that it is "too small" to have a dedicated route. Is Fairfield Gardens served by the Fairfield Gardens BUZ too small? Is Tarragindi on the BUZ 120 too small? I don't think so. Perhaps take a ride there and see the on the ground situation before making a judgement.

[somebody]

the 196 which serves Fairfield Gardens also serves Highgate Hill and part of West End, in fact, I think the Fairfield Gardens bit should be chopped off in favour of serving UQ, as I've previously posted.

I also don't see the analogy between the 120?  That route is mostly to serve Tarrangindi.

With the blue route, anything heading to the Ipswich Mwy should use Ipswich Rd, and not have a welfare routing down Beaudesert Rd.  If you are going down Beaudesert Rd, you should go to Acacia Ridge or somewhere which requires that road, and not take the 2 sides of a triangle bit to reach the mwy.  I would have thought that was something which you would be strongly in favour of.

Although I am not sure which shops you are referring to?  Street shops on Beaudesert Rd?  Do they amount to much in your opinion?

[SurfRail]

100 does have a better service than the 101 at present, so one would expect more pax on that, even on a per trip basis.  I do not think we will get our hands on that data, but I think something should be done here, and I am dubious about the 100 BUZ getting implemented.  101 BUZ/extension has some merit and I think is worthy of consideration.  Intermediate area does not need to be served by the 100, which is different to the 330, 345, Enoggera area, Altandi and Fruitgrove interchange proposals.

Note I said the 110 express, not the 101 to Corinda.  BUZing the 110 would give you your BUZ service to Moorvale and the shopping precinct, and improve service to Acacia Ridge.

I don't think there is any merit in BUZing the 101 when the resources could be allocated to either the 100 or 110.

[somebody]

I don't think there is any merit in BUZing the 101 when the resources could be allocated to either the 100 or 110.

Really?  Covers basically the same area as the 100 in Inala, and could be extended to cover the Forest Lake bit of the 100.

Yes, OK, about the 101 vs 110.  I did misread that, but it isn't what I started this thread to discuss.  I take you would/have voted "100" then.

[SurfRail]

Really?  Covers basically the same area as the 100 in Inala, and could be extended to cover the Forest Lake bit of the 100.

As has been said above - better off providing the BUZ to service the Ipswich Rd corridor and access through the south-east side.

There are other means of accessing the Ipswich line (eg 465, 103 etc), which is what you would use the 101 for.

Yes, OK, about the 101 vs 110.  I did misread that, but it isn't what I started this thread to discuss.  I take you would/have voted "100" then.

No, I vote for what I said - 100 or 110, whichever needs it more.  The question was which route should be BUZd to provide service to Inala.  The 110 goes to Inala and shares much of its corridor with the 100, so should probably be included.

[#Metro]

the 196 which serves Fairfield Gardens also serves Highgate Hill and part of West End, in fact, I think the Fairfield Gardens bit should be chopped off in favour of serving UQ, as I've previously posted.

I also don't see the analogy between the 120?  That route is mostly to serve Tarrangindi.

With the blue route, anything heading to the Ipswich Mwy should use Ipswich Rd, and not have a welfare routing down Beaudesert Rd.  If you are going down Beaudesert Rd, you should go to Acacia Ridge or somewhere which requires that road, and not take the 2 sides of a triangle bit to reach the mwy.  I would have thought that was something which you would be strongly in favour of.

Although I am not sure which shops you are referring to?  Street shops on Beaudesert Rd?  Do they amount to much in your opinion?

I would suggest that you take the time to go to Moorvale / Moorooka. You would NOT bypass this area. The utility there comes from that area being a local centre. That's why my option is "none of the above" and I've drawn my own route. A compromise may be to send one Core Frequent to Garden City and one to Inala... or alternatively an express bus...

There is also a train station on that Ips road side anyway, so that area is already covered.

[#Metro]

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[somebody]

I've been there.  It is only street shopping as far as I have seen.

You wouldn't go to Inala via Moorvale (Beaudesert Rd) much more than you would go to Sunnybank shops from the city via Garden City.  Moorvale can be served by Acacia Ridge.  If you are willing to have that much of a deviation, why not interchange at Oxley, which allows for trips to Indooroopilly shops.

110 doesn't exist to reach Inala, but to serve Acacia Ridge.  Inala is really an extension for dual action.

[yogiew]

Hello All

The 100 Service out of all the Oxley/Durack/Inala/Forest Lake Buses in the most popluar.

The 100 Service does some filling up though forest lake, but at the Inala Town Centre the people pile on the bus, by the time it gets to Durack and Oxley it is full and running Rocket into the city.

During the day after the last 1/2 hourly service at 10:35pm, from then on the hourly service is jammed pack and standing by the Ipswich Motoway and Late.

It is also never on time, always 5-10 upto - 30mins.

If it is not BUZed at least bring it up to Cityxpress standard that is in the Translink's Report (Cannot remember which report), that all Cityxpress services will be running at least every 30mins.

To help in the morning peak, run half routes from Forest lake to Chardon's Corner, so the school kids can catch or

Have one service an Moorooka Station/PA and city rocket and the other all stop service, which can be 6:15am all stop, 6:40am rocket, 6:50am all stop and so on.

For the afternoon need to run buses out of Queen Street at 2:30pm and/or 2:45pm, to get people out the city before the school kids are out, so the 3:00pm services are not so full.

And then at Night, run it every 1/2 hour and later then 10pm, it should run to about 12pm.

So people in Oxley, Durack and Forest Lake do not have to get taxi's from stations or walk home from the plaza or forest lake village.

It is ok for the people in acacia ridge when they have a few different city buses to catch, but it is harder when you have only got one service and it is full all the time.

I know a lot of other people would be in the same position as me, but they add services and you can see they are not getting used, like the 466 not anyone on it during the day (do not know about peak), easier to go to the other stations.

Sorry for ranting a bit, I have done a lot of complianing to translink and to local MP's and nothing.

Cannot even get an 100 BUZ and our MP is the Minister for Transport.

Bye
Damo

[Craig W.]

Agree Damo. Buz for the Route 100 ASAP.
Leave the Route 101 as is.