Snap Poll: Does the BUZ 196 change people's minds on 199 via Ivory St

[somebody]

Just like it says.  Does the BUZ 196, which will may have peak service via Valley and via Ivory St, change people's minds on this one?

To recap, the second/third options include a route from Tenerriffe Ferry, map like this:

[dwb]

I'm confused by the options... what was the earlier post?

[somebody]

I'm confused by the options... what was the earlier post?

I've posted a map of the PM RBH-199 Corridor.  In the AM, use Gipps St instead of Warner St.

199 via Ivory St is clear enough isn't it?

Ignore the earlier post, maybe I should have deleted it.  I since decided I wanted a new poll.

Is it clear now?

[dwb]

I'm confused by the options... what was the earlier post?

I've posted a map of the PM RBH-199 Corridor.  In the AM, use Gipps St instead of Warner St.

199 via Ivory St is clear enough isn't it?

Ignore the earlier post, maybe I should have deleted it.  I since decided I wanted a new poll.

Is it clear now?

Sorry... still missing it. Are you proposing the above map (RBH-199 Corridor) is what the 199 is changed to? if so then what is Ivory St?

But one thing I do wonder, why flick the tail around from Brunswick, Merthyr, MacArthur... why not flick the end of the CityGlider down to the end of MacArthur... wouldn't that give New Farm residents a better link to the CBD? Do they get the 199 now, or walk north to the CityGlider??

[somebody]

Sorry... still missing it. Are you proposing the above map (RBH-199 Corridor) is what the 199 is changed to? if so then what is Ivory St?

But one thing I do wonder, why flick the tail around from Brunswick, Merthyr, MacArthur... why not flick the end of the CityGlider down to the end of MacArthur... wouldn't that give New Farm residents a better link to the CBD? Do they get the 199 now, or walk north to the CityGlider??

The above map is a new route for peak time only.  Let's say route 19.

Fair argument about the CityGlider, but I think the 199 would still need to retain the connection to the ferry.

[dwb]

Sorry... still missing it. Are you proposing the above map (RBH-199 Corridor) is what the 199 is changed to? if so then what is Ivory St?

But one thing I do wonder, why flick the tail around from Brunswick, Merthyr, MacArthur... why not flick the end of the CityGlider down to the end of MacArthur... wouldn't that give New Farm residents a better link to the CBD? Do they get the 199 now, or walk north to the CityGlider??

The above map is a new route for peak time only.  Let's say route 19.

Fair argument about the CityGlider, but I think the 199 would still need to retain the connection to the ferry.

Ahhh ok. Yes, I think such a new route might be valuable (quick give it a name not 199!), but likely not just as peak... for legibility's sake. It could be part of the the new non-radial PT network (hence why it wouldn't just be peak, for instance it would give northerners access to New Farm from the Northern busway on the weekend!.

But why would the 199 still need to connect to the ferry if the CityGlider served Vernon and MacQuarie Sts (Nb I previously wrote MacArthur... oops!)?? In this case I'd reroute the 199 straight down to the New Farm Park/Powerhouse ferry terminal. Perhaps then the 196 could also not travel to Merthyr Centre, but continue down Griffith St and Oxlade Drive to also terminate at the New Farm Park/Powerhouse ferry terminal. OR were you actually referring to your new 19... route having to connect to the ferry? And yes, you'd need some cross river connection and Oxford St Bulimba, being a lifestyle location would be a good one to have.

And/or perhaps you could also build a pedestrian bridge to replace either/both New Farm Park-Norman Creek and Newstead-Bulimba ferries to give more permanent access to the other side of the river? But perhaps that's getting a bit off topic.

[somebody]

Not a bad plan.  I didn't think you'd be running the glider that far into New Farm.  Would the Glider then continue along Lamington St to the Powerhouse?  I'd tend to think if the 199 is to be taken away from Tenerriffe Ferry, it would be better doing the Lamington St/Powerhouse bit.  Possibly use Sydney St rather than Merthyr Rd.  New Farm Ferry is already served by the 196.

In fact, perhaps my "route 19" could use Lamington St.  I tend to think it should duplicate the 199 east of Brunswick St though.

Regarding "route 19" in off peak, I say baby steps.  Get it established in peak, which would prove its worth, then it can be extended to off peak.

[dwb]

Not a bad plan.  I didn't think you'd be running the glider that far into New Farm.  Would the Glider then continue along Lamington St to the Powerhouse?

Of course that is the big question! where would you terminate the Glider if you did extend it south? (Esp given the complaints at the West End end) I would tend to think at the end of Macquarie St where it hits Merthyr (ie just servicing the key Teneriffe area), but then you have to ask where the buses would idle and how to maintain on time running, also where would they physically turn around. You could run it all the way to Merthyr centre, or even down Merthyr turning left into Brunswick down to the New Farm park ferry turnaround, but then you're probably watering down the service too far.

Plus I think they would prefer to extend the Glider northeast... like Ascot Road way... along those bus lanes that Campbell was proposing at insane cost!

I would tend to think they should be Glider-ising a few other key routes across the city... its about the only standard up on BUZ we've got... but like BUZ you've got to be careful where you put it, not everyone can have it as you'd end up watering the service down (even further than when it was originally implemented).

I like you're idea about Sydney St a little... however I wouldn't use Lamington, its not really suitable for buses (although it can be done, I've taken coaches down there). I would also love to remove those speed bumps from James St and implement a proper service there... perhaps your route 19x or some other one could improve the service down James?