Second Brisbane CBD

[#Metro]

I think I found a place to put a second CBD for Brisbane. It has Grid roads too.  

Click here http://g.co/maps/qjbdf

Just add four north-south roads and voila!

Being on Old Cleveland Road, it is also "on the way"

[HappyTrainGuy]

So does Redcliffe

[SurfRail]

So does Redcliffe

Which was meant to be the capital I believe...

[Golliwog]

The story I was told was that Ipswich was meant to be the capital, and Brisbane just the port town. But Brisbane got set up first as they needed the port to ship in the materials to build Ipswich. The governor was given temporary digs in Brisbane for the time until he was meant to move out to Ipswich. But when the time came he liked where he was and didn't want to move, so they switched Brisbane to being the capital.

But how much of that, if anything, is the truth, I have no idea.

[BribieG]

I drove along OCR yesterday on my regular expedition to my home brew supply company (Craftbrewer / Bacchus Brewing) at Capalaba in the industrial estate, and I'm always struck by the semi rural nature of the area so close to the M1, bayside and shops such as Carindale and Capalaba.  However it lacks rail, a line South of but parallel to the current Cleveland Line would be the dux nuts for a second CBD.

Current public transport is actually woeful, a few months ago a few members of our home brew club decided to take a bus out to the Brewery which has a tasting range  so we didn't drive. From Central it took us well over an hour to get there and the bus meandered all over the place, stopping for ages at Carindale etc. We couldn't face the trip back so shared a cab to the German Club for lunch ... Prost 

[#Metro]

Redcliffe in interesting.

It has grid roads- no doubt because it was going to be a CBD. It could still probably be one as well, rather than those people in North Lakes travelling to Brisabane, they would travel to Redcliffe.
Redcliffe also has two rail access points- Kippa Ring and Shorncliffe (by transfer). So I think it would be very suitable. There is an industrial area next to Penisular fair... if those were developed, you could place very high density business, commercial and residential right there. They might need to complete a few new roads to complete the grid, but otherwise it wouldn't be a bad idea.


Gumdale & Capalaba West is also interesting. At a convenient road junction plus if the Eastern Busway ever gets built, it would be on the way as well.

What would be needed to start off is decent arterial roads to divide the area into a regular grid of sorts.
Move some government offices out there. Team up with business to see what can be done... a bit like planning a Canberra!

[#Metro]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bras%C3%ADlia
http://g.co/maps/rr9c9

[Jonno]

We have all the potential secoond, 3rd, 4th , 5th, etc CBD locations aready.  Unfortunately the are single use retail shopping centres.  They all need to be subdivided and made into Mix Use Town Centres.  

[#Metro]

We have all the potential secoond, 3rd, 4th , 5th, etc CBD locations aready.  Unfortunately the are single use retail shopping centres.  They all need to be subdivided and made into Mix Use Town Centres. 

I think a quasi-greenfields site like Gumdale or Capalaba is ideal.
You can get the road network right, it is half way between Brisbane and Redcliffe, there is a lot of land to play with. The other places are really just shopping centres with a bit on the periphery.

Given the proximity to arterial roads, might also be a place for an Eastern Suburbs hospital too.

Maybe we should indulge in a bit of foam in this tread and design a town centre...

[BribieG]

Anyone still got a copy of Sim City ? 

[Mr X]

SC4? yep 

[SurfRail]

I also think there needs to be considerably more done to move commercial and government activity to places like Caboolture and Ipswich.  These places are all on the rail network and have plenty of untapped potential (they go dead at night because nothing happens).  Get more population around the railway nodes and more reason to actually visit, and you will also see a lot of the feral behaviour extirpated.

[Jonno]

We have all the potential secoond, 3rd, 4th , 5th, etc CBD locations aready.  Unfortunately the are single use retail shopping centres.  They all need to be subdivided and made into Mix Use Town Centres. 

I think a quasi-greenfields site like Gumdale or Capalaba is ideal.
You can get the road network right, it is half way between Brisbane and Redcliffe, there is a lot of land to play with. The other places are really just shopping centres with a bit on the periphery.

Given the proximity to arterial roads, might also be a place for an Eastern Suburbs hospital too.

Maybe we should indulge in a bit of foam in this tread and design a town centre...

We have all the potential secoond, 3rd, 4th , 5th, etc CBD locations aready.  Unfortunately the are single use retail shopping centres.  They all need to be subdivided and made into Mix Use Town Centres. 

I think a quasi-greenfields site like Gumdale or Capalaba is ideal.
You can get the road network right, it is half way between Brisbane and Redcliffe, there is a lot of land to play with. The other places are really just shopping centres with a bit on the periphery.

Given the proximity to arterial roads, might also be a place for an Eastern Suburbs hospital too.

Not with my taxes.  The layout of our city is not that bad just need to fix the the urban form, over engeneered roads and lack of public transport priority and frequecny.

[#Metro]

Jonno, a second CBD would

a) mean that redlands and eastern brisbane commuters would no longer have to travel all the way to the brisbane CBD
b) make better use of counter flow services
c) allow two way high frequency PT

This is one opportunity to get it done right.

In any case I think there might be private $$$ demand, provided a plan was put forward and the zoning reviewed.

[Cam]

I also think there needs to be considerably more done to move commercial and government activity to places like Caboolture and Ipswich.  These places are all on the rail network and have plenty of untapped potential (they go dead at night because nothing happens).  Get more population around the railway nodes and more reason to actually visit, and you will also see a lot of the feral behaviour extirpated.

SurfRail is on the money. Think of Parramatta, North Sydney, St Leonards, Chatswood, Hurstville, Liverpool, Penrith etc in Sydney. These CBD's are all along railway lines. Brisbane has the railway lines but needs to develop the business centres around the stations.

[Jonno]

Jonno, a second CBD would

a) mean that redlands and eastern brisbane commuters would no longer have to travel all the way to the brisbane CBD
b) make better use of counter flow services
c) allow two way high frequency PT

This is one opportunity to get it done right.

In any case I think there might be private $$$ demand, provided a plan was put forward and the zoning reviewed.

Capalaba? Cleveland? Carindale?