A review of Brisbane's public transport

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Fixing Urban Planning in Brisbane - A Model for Sustainable Cities

Join DW Reporter Joel Dullroy as he explores Brisbane's public transport system, including its new trackless tram and underground train tunnel. Learn how the city is striving to reduce its dependence on private automobiles and become a model for sustainable transportation in the lead up to the 2032 Olympic games.

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Fixing Urban Planning in Brisbane - A Model for Sustainable Cities

28th March 2023

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A DW reporter Joel Dullroy has put together a video review of Brisbane's public transport.

Fixing Urban Planning in Brisbane - A Model for Sustainable Cities

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[#Metro]

This is a very high quality video, well done. Even more fantastic to have Ozbob feature in it! 

There is a notion that service provision is what will get people out of cars. This is only one dimension. There are other dimensions that feed into the 'High Ridership Recipe' that Jarrett Walker talks about.

Rail in QLD is slow. Average rail line speeds are sitting around 40 km/hr, which is slower than car and definitely slower than the competing arterials (70-80 km/hr) and motorways (100 km/hr). This is less of a problem in peak hour when roads slow down, but the other 84% of the time when roads aren't congested in the off-peak, it is not competitive.

The buses are not so much in this position because the busways gave them a speed boost (80 km/hr) they have a lot of express and rocket bus running, and they are not travelling as far as they are doing a local city transport task. For a smaller city you can get away with frequent but slow PT as the distances are not large. But for a larger region of multiple connected cities like SEQ, you do need matching faster rail.

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Plus you have the penalty of long cross town trips with PT, having to change in the city.

Extend the busway from UQ to Indooroopilly to allow for faster crosstown trips. It can slash travel times by more than 30 mins.

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Rail in QLD is slow. Average rail line speeds are sitting around 40 km/hr, which is slower than car and definitely slower than the competing arterials (70-80 km/hr) and motorways (100 km/hr). This is less of a problem in peak hour when roads slow down, but the other 84% of the time when roads aren't congested in the off-peak, it is not competitive.

The buses are not so much in this position because the busways gave them a speed boost (80 km/hr) they have a lot of express and rocket bus running, and they are not travelling as far as they are doing a local city transport task. For a smaller city you can get away with frequent but slow PT as the distances are not large. But for a larger region of multiple connected cities like SEQ, you do need matching faster rail.

Why are you using average speed for rail but maximum speed for road and bus? The average speed for buses in Brisbane is around 20km/h and the average speed of most arterial roads would be around 30-40km/h in off peak

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Plus you have the penalty of long cross town trips with PT, having to change in the city.

Extend the busway from UQ to Indooroopilly to allow for faster crosstown trips. It can slash travel times by more than 30 mins.

It would be a useful project, but you don't have to be a broken record about it repeating it daily.

[Gazza]

The buses are not so much in this position because the busways gave them a speed boost (80 km/hr)

8MP to KGS is 16.5 km, timetabled to take 25 mins, which is an average speed of 39.6km/h

How did you calculate 80km/h?

Looking at the timetable, a weird thing I noticed is that the 150 is only 1 minute faster along the busway section, despite being express.

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Rail in QLD is slow. Average rail line speeds are sitting around 40 km/hr, which is slower than car and definitely slower than the competing arterials (70-80 km/hr) and motorways (100 km/hr). This is less of a problem in peak hour when roads slow down, but the other 84% of the time when roads aren't congested in the off-peak, it is not competitive.

The buses are not so much in this position because the busways gave them a speed boost (80 km/hr) they have a lot of express and rocket bus running, and they are not travelling as far as they are doing a local city transport task. For a smaller city you can get away with frequent but slow PT as the distances are not large. But for a larger region of multiple connected cities like SEQ, you do need matching faster rail.

Why are you using average speed for rail but maximum speed for road and bus? The average speed for buses in Brisbane is around 20km/h and the average speed of most arterial roads would be around 30-40km/h in off peak

Agreed. In the SEQ context, this is only relevant for some lines. The Ferny Grove or Cleveland line for example, can often be quicker or comparable to a car trip in peak due to congested roads. Have you ever tried to drive from Ferny Grove to the city in peak? It sucks.

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Agreed. In the SEQ context, this is only relevant for some lines. The Ferny Grove or Cleveland line for example, can often be quicker or comparable to a car trip in peak due to congested roads. Have you ever tried to drive from Ferny Grove to the city in peak? It sucks.

Agreed, I am mainly thinking interurban/intercity lines e.g. Gold Coast, Cleveland, Sunshine Coast, Ipswich, Redcliffe.

During peak hour, door-to-door PT journey times and those by road tend to be brought into balance. But the growth potential is really in the-off peak and all-day use.

Peak hour is only 2 hours in the morning and 2 in the afternoon (or thereabouts).

What about the other 84% of the time?

Why are you using average speed for rail but maximum speed for road and bus? The average speed for buses in Brisbane is around 20km/h and the average speed of most arterial roads would be around 30-40km/h in off peak

Credit where credit is due - this is my bad and you are broadly correct on the bus speed point.

I had a look at 111 timetable and yes it is about ~ 30 km/hr average speed from Eight Mile Plains into Roma Street. Which is surprising. And not great when you consider the parallel freeway is doing 100 km/hr. Maybe there is a lot of fat in the timetable, or maybe there are provisions for congestion at Cultural Centre?

 

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Even the speed limit of the freeway is not representative of the average speed unless you teleport onto the freeway at full speed.

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/-27.571648,153.0902206/-27.4857973,153.030763/@-27.5259751,153.0756685,13.67z/data=!4m2!4m1!3e0

Method: I dropped pins on the map pretty much adjacent to the onramp and offramp.

11.8km in 9 mins is 78.6km/h