Concept: Route 29 UQ Lakes to RBWH via Kangaroo Pt.

[#Metro]

Concept: Route 29 UQ Lakes to RBWH via Kangaroo Pt.

A general re-conception of the current 234 Kangaroo Pt and 29 UQ Shuttle service (similar to how 66+109 was merged).
There are around 50 bus routes that ply the City-Valley route in addition to rail services so there is no need for this bus to
enter the already congested CBD. This concept removes 234 from the CBD entirely, rather, relying on a connection at Fortitude
Valley for rail and bus (e.g. CityGlider).

Kangaroo Point is Brisbane's densest suburb, so this service should gain patronage easily. City connections already exist via
Ferries and soon a new pedestrian bridge, further reducing the need for the bus to enter the CBD.

Concept route length: 11 km, estimated time 25 minutes.

Suggestions:

- Merge 29 and 234 bus services
- Change frequency to 15 minutes all-day
- Extend service to RBWH and add connection at Fortitude Valley (ensure
bus stops on Brunswick St are close to the station or lights).
- Use the two O'Keefe street portals in Buranda so that the service can stop at
Buranda busway station and create a transfer point and link with SE Busway services.

This service will become more important when Cross River Rail opens at Wooloongabba.

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[AnonymouslyBad]

Love it. Solves a lot of trips with just one route

Normally I'd say this is too close to the city to force a transfer but the 234 sucks anyway. Once CRR opens you'd expect the best option for most is to transfer at Woolloongabba.

[aldonius]

I'm not sure that these routes should be linked and I wouldn't do it pre-metro.

During uni semester the 29 traditionally scaled up to 5 minute frequency. (It's now 10 minute frequency all the time, with the 28 running offset 10min but only during semester.) These routes are able to do this on the cheap precisely because they're short routes (under 10 minutes end-to-end) that stay within the busway.

Having said that with metro coming in, there should be enough extra capacity relative to the 66 that the 29 going 6/h to 4/h won't matter.

[#Metro]

During uni semester the 29 traditionally scaled up to 5 minute frequency. (It's now 10 minute frequency all the time, with the 28 running offset 10min but only during semester.) These routes are able to do this on the cheap precisely because they're short routes (under 10 minutes end-to-end) that stay within the busway.

I think we can test this and see what happens in a trial.

This is true but I don't think that residents of Kangaroo Pt, Woolloongabba, Fortitude Valley and Spring Hill / Herston should miss out just so someone can save 5 min on their shuttle trip to Woolloongabba. Similar remarks were put forward by TransLink when RBOT requested a merger of 66 Woolloongabba (which kept to the Busway and didn't run on weekends) and 109 (which then ran down Annerley Road).

The BCC bus-metro is a separate thing and has a different catchment. (I write bus next to metro because now it gets confusing!)

[aldonius]

Yeah, from the current 234's perspective this is a pretty significant improvement (unless your destination is very close to one of its current CBD stops, of course, but there are other CBD options for Kangaroo Point). I'm just concerned about

just so someone can save 5 min on their shuttle trip to Woolloongabba

Only about 30% of 29 pax catch it end-to-end and the journey time increase isn't so large as to bother them that much. I'm just concerned about the overall route length blowing out the cost of scaling the frequency. The 29 (and especially the 28's) main purpose is to provide short-haul capacity.

[#Metro]

Only about 30% of 29 pax catch it end-to-end and the journey time increase isn't so large as to bother them that much. I'm just concerned about the overall route length blowing out the cost of scaling the frequency. The 29 (and especially the 28's) main purpose is to provide short-haul capacity.

I think a positive thing about it is that it is an amalgamation so funding will be released by that and removing the route from the CBD plus the adjustment of the frequency to 15 minutes so it would only need incremental funding rather than 100% new money.

Given that Kangaroo Pt is the densest suburb, I would think patronage on this could be very good and offset costs as well.

[#Metro]

Discussion Continued from this thread ---> https://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=14886.msg263458#msg263458 (Bus: Transport for Brisbane (Brisbane Transport) FY 12/13 to 21/22)

[#Metro]

Saw a 27 heading IB across the Story Bridge last week in the AM peak standing room only.

Shame it's only running at weird 25 min frequencies.

I reckon there is a case to merge or extend the Route 29 into Kangaroo Point. There are a few options:

- Overap services, for example Route 29 could loop around Kangaroo Point and just terminate there.
- Run into the CBD
- Run into the Valley

- Merge into Route 234 Kangaroo Point.

[Cazza]

Once the Green Bridge is complete and ferries start using Holman St and Dockside terminals again, I don't think there's much need to send any bus into Kangaroo Point proper.

There should however be improvements to bus stops (both current and any future ones) on Main St (near Thornton and Ferry Sts) to allow buses towards both East Brisbane (Shafston Ave) and Woolloongabba to stop at both stops in both directions.

[#Metro]

Once the Green Bridge is complete and ferries start using Holman St and Dockside terminals again, I don't think there's much need to send any bus into Kangaroo Point proper.

There should however be improvements to bus stops (both current and any future ones) on Main St (near Thornton and Ferry Sts) to allow buses towards both East Brisbane (Shafston Ave) and Woolloongabba to stop at both stops in both directions.

There was and is always a need for buses to service Kangaroo Point, so that passengers from the SE busway and Wooloongabba can get into the suburb. Right now the best way to get into Kangaroo Point from the Southside is to use a scooter from Woolloongabba.

[Cazza]

Or the 234?

KP is not a big area, it's max a 10 min walk for anyone at the northern extent to walk to the existing SB stop.

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/-27.4658579,153.035464/-27.4717169,153.0359679/@-27.4689356,153.0340728,834m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!4m1!3e2

You'd also ideally have a new NB stop where this traffic island is (pushing the northbound entrance lane further north). This creates a new NB bus stop closer to the main KP area with a pedestrian underpass to the eastern side pretty much right underneath. Pending some traffic lane adjustments, this new stop would ideally also be used by any services coming across from Shafston Ave.

[#Metro]

Route 234 is a terrible bus service. It duplicates City-Valley Routes and runs hourly!

An hourly bus in Brisbane's highest density suburb.

It is actually faster to walk!

A textbook case of what is wrong with the BCC bus network (along with the existence of Route 161 and 198).

Woolloongabba to City (loop)
https://translink.com.au/sites/default/files/acquiadam-assets/timetables/170109-234.pdf

[Gazza]

So there are a couple of needs to be met here.

-I think for CBD access it will always be ferries, and in the future the new pedestrian bridge.

-The 234 should probably remain as an hourly welfare service for people down in Kangaroo point needing to get to Gabba Coles etc since the stop up the hill at the start of the bridge isn't really that accessible.
In a perfect world, I wonder if it would be possible to install lifts and stairs from the current Balidon St stop up to the bridge and have an on-bridge bus stop. This would eliminate the need for the 234 to loop down.

-All other routes should go direct across the bridge. This could include the Wynnum Road routes, and a Gabba/Valley HF shuttle.