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Started by ozbob, November 04, 2018, 14:40:14 PM

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The Public Transport Fares Advisory Panel is part of Fairer Fares for South East Queensland (SEQ), the Government's response to the SEQ Fare Review.  Took them a year and a half, and then only after questions were asked in this years Transport Estimates.

https://cabinet.qld.gov.au/documents/2018/Jul/ApptFaresPanel/Appointments%20to%20Public%20Transport%20Fares%20Advisory%20Panel.docx

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achiruel

Quote from: Stillwater on November 04, 2018, 16:52:34 PM
By their deeds ye shall know them.

Are you implying they're actually doing something?

Fares_Fair

I know of Dr Matthew Bourke.

Do we know who the others are?
Regards,
Fares_Fair


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#4
I think this is Dr Kellie Nuttall > https://www2.deloitte.com/au/en/profiles/kellie-nuttall.html  Seems knowledgeable on transport issues - other links on her.

Mr Blaise Itableo > https://www.bigrigs.com.au/news/blazing-a-brave-new-trail/2875225/

Not sure of the others at this stage.  I think it is good to have some new folk.  Matthew is the only one from the Fare Review Taskforce and probably the best one to continue.

I was asked in April 2017 ( member only link https://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=12720.0 ) but declined.  Need new people.  Plus I have lost patience with them with their do little do it slowly approach.  The only reason it got accelerated in the end was because of questions in this year's transport estimates. 

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#6
Work by this Advisory Panel will commence next year.
Regards,
Fares_Fair


achiruel

Quote from: #Metro on November 04, 2018, 20:44:44 PM

They need a bus reform panel.

Realistically, bus reform can't be done properly with the current state of the rail network. While some improvements can be made where the bus network duplicates itself, I wouldn't be trying to enforce bus-rail interchange until the following conditions are met:

(i) 98% OTR (not just peak, and including NGRs, but excluding genuine force majeure events: boom gate strikes, bridge strikes, lightning strikes etc).
(ii) consistent Monday-Friday timetable
(iii) 15-minute service to Shorncliffe, Ferny Grove, Darra, Altandi, Murrarie, Petrie 7am-7pm every day. Honestly I'd prefer 6am-9pm, but 7-7 is a start.

Yes, I'm aware of the issues regarding Murrarie regarding terminating there; they need to be fixed. 590 is too important a route not to connect to IMO.

I'm also not sure if 15 minutes needs to go as far as Petrie, but where else between there and Northgate can you realistically terminate?


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Realistically, bus reform can't be done properly with the current state of the rail network. While some improvements can be made where the bus network duplicates itself, I wouldn't be trying to enforce bus-rail interchange until the following conditions are met:

(i) 98% OTR (not just peak, and including NGRs, but excluding genuine force majeure events: boom gate strikes, bridge strikes, lightning strikes etc).
(ii) consistent Monday-Friday timetable
(iii) 15-minute service to Shorncliffe, Ferny Grove, Darra, Altandi, Murrarie, Petrie 7am-7pm every day. Honestly I'd prefer 6am-9pm, but 7-7 is a start.

Yes, I'm aware of the issues regarding Murrarie regarding terminating there; they need to be fixed. 590 is too important a route not to connect to IMO.

I'm also not sure if 15 minutes needs to go as far as Petrie, but where else between there and Northgate can you realistically terminate?

They have no choice, the introduction of the Brisbane Metro will force their hand.
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achiruel

Quote from: #Metro on November 06, 2018, 21:22:45 PM
They have no choice, the introduction of the Brisbane Metro will force their hand.

Indeed, but that is some years off. Certain reforms could be done now, but all we hear from the planning section of TransLink (assuming they even have one anymore) is crickets.


#Metro

QuoteIndeed, but that is some years off. Certain reforms could be done now, but all we hear from the planning section of TransLink (assuming they even have one anymore) is crickets.

Actually, they tried in 2013, but BCC blocked them. So they wore all the political costs and got none of the benefits.

Now they let BCC to do the dirty work. That way BCC wears the political costs, and TransLink says "nothing to do with us!!"
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8th April 2019

Public Transport Fares Advisory Panel

Good Morning,

In July 2018 the Queensland Government Cabinet noted the intention of the Minister for Transport and Main Roads to appoint a Public Transport Fares advisory panel > https://cabinet.qld.gov.au/documents/2018/Jul/ApptFaresPanel/Appointments%20to%20Public%20Transport%20Fares%20Advisory%20Panel.docx

Does anyone know if this panel has actually formed?  We believe it is important that as the new payment system (Next Generation Ticketing https://translink.com.au/about-translink/projects-and-initiatives/next-generation-ticketing ) is developed for Queensland public transport that there be some broader community consultation and input, particularly with respect to the types of ticketing products such as periodical options, as well as pay as you go options (as for the present go card system in SEQ).

Thank you.

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9th April 2019

Public Transport Fares Advisory Panel - what's happening?

Good Morning,

No response to the email yesterday, the vacuum and lack of transparency in public transport matters in Queensland continues ..

Interesting to consider the timeline for the Public Transport Fares Advisory Panel.

Recommended as part of the Farer Fairs package in December 2016 ( http://statements.qld.gov.au/Statement/2016/12/15/get-on-board-with-fairer-fares ).

Nothing happened until the Opposition raised the non action during Parliament Estimates in July 2018 and the Cabinet document referenced below appeared.

Now April 2019 and we are still really not any wiser.  Typical of the botched administration and bumble that now is the hallmark of public transport in Queensland.

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Quote from: ozbob on April 08, 2019, 01:41:59 AM
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8th April 2019

Public Transport Fares Advisory Panel

Good Morning,

In July 2018 the Queensland Government Cabinet noted the intention of the Minister for Transport and Main Roads to appoint a Public Transport Fares advisory panel > https://cabinet.qld.gov.au/documents/2018/Jul/ApptFaresPanel/Appointments%20to%20Public%20Transport%20Fares%20Advisory%20Panel.docx

Does anyone know if this panel has actually formed?  We believe it is important that as the new payment system (Next Generation Ticketing https://translink.com.au/about-translink/projects-and-initiatives/next-generation-ticketing ) is developed for Queensland public transport that there be some broader community consultation and input, particularly with respect to the types of ticketing products such as periodical options, as well as pay as you go options (as for the present go card system in SEQ).

Thank you.

Robert

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Letter to the Editor Queensland Times 9th April 2019 page 17

Seeking answers over public transport panel

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http://statements.qld.gov.au/Statement/2019/7/29/fares-fair-as-independent-panel-looks-at-how-were-travelling

Media Statements

Minister for Transport and Main Roads
The Honourable Mark Bailey

Monday, July 29, 2019

Fares fair as independent panel looks at how we're travelling

An independent panel will give commuter insights on the affordability of Queensland's public transport and provide advice on fares, products and ticketing 

The Public Transport Fares Advisory Panel established by the Palaszczuk Government met this week, providing a new outlet for commuter feedback on how public transport is travelling in the Sunshine State.

Transport and Main Roads Minister Mark Bailey said the panel, chaired by leading public transport authority Paul Low, will add to the Palaszczuk Government's ongoing public transport investment and initiatives like Fairer Fares Policy.

"The panel's members have been selected to ensure there is a broad range of expertise, including specialist transport knowledge, community insights, regional perspectives and industry experience," Mr Bailey said.

"We're heading in the right direction in terms of our investments in better public transport for Queensland but having an independent voice to share insights on what works best for the people who catch trains, buses, trams and ferries each day can help us to ensure that investment is supporting commuters the way it should.

"As we head for another record in public transport patronage in south east Queensland and invest more than $370 million for Australia's first smart ticketing system, Paul Low and the panel will provide valuable and specialised knowledge to look at ways we can make the public transport experience even better.

"The Palaszczuk Government's Fairer Fares Policy has already slashed the cost of public transport, saving Queenslanders more than $153 million and leading to a record 189 million trips in last year.

"We're backing more frequent and reliable public transport for Queenslanders through our $5.4 billion Cross River Rail project, and smart ticketing will give all Queenslanders access to innovative public transport technology, unlike the traditional GoCard, which is currently restricted in where it can be used."

Earlier this year, the Palaszczuk Government announced $250 million for a new underground bus hub at Roma Street station and $57 million to upgrade six stations on Brisbane's southside.

"We're investing in new park 'n' ride spaces across the south east, including the $44.5 million Springfield Central Station multi-level car park project and $4 million Ormeau park 'n' ride upgrade, which received a $2 million funding boost earlier this year," Mr Bailey said.

"Our government has secured $2.5 million for a new dedicated bus lane along the busy Nicklin Way on the Sunshine Coast, and we've committed $7.5 million to develop a comprehensive public transport plan for the Coast together with Sunshine Coast Regional Council.

"We have seen more New Generation Rollingstock trains hit the tracks, we have the opening of the multi-storey Park 'n' Ride at the new Queensland State Netball Centre, and opened the Townsville CBD Bus Hub earlier this year.

"In total, the Palaszczuk Government will deliver more than $23.1 billion in roads and transport infrastructure over the next four years, supporting more than 21,500 jobs, and I look forward to working with Paul and the panel to make the most of Queensland's public transport."

Other panel members include Griffith University Associate Professor Matthew Burke, Blaise Itabelo, Julie Castle, Gail Ker and Adrienne Ward.

The panel is scheduled to meet twice in the next 12 months to consider these matters, with additional meetings to be convened as necessary.

Panel Members:

Chair – Paul Low: Paul Low is the lead partner in KPMG's National Infrastructure, Government and Healthcare industry group. He has over 20 years' experience driving and advising on major projects and initiatives in transport and infrastructure policy and planning and economic development in Queensland and interstate. Paul has held various Deputy Director General roles in the Queensland government, including the Department of Transport and Main Roads.

Matthew Burke: Associate Professor Matthew Burke is a member of Griffith University's Cities Research Institute and an Australian Research Council Future Fellow. He is currently leading an Australian Research Council Linkage Project on funding and financing of public transport infrastructure in Australia.

Blaise Itabelo: Blaise Itabelo works in the not-for-profit sector as Community Development and Engagement Coordinator with Access Community Services. He is also Director of a private migration practice and holds various community volunteer roles.

Gail Ker: Gail Ker OAM is the CEO of Access Community Services. Her vast knowledge is actively sought by politicians, industry leaders and research bodies, nationally and internationally.

Julie Castle: Julie Castle is a Managing Director of marketing and communications firm Struber. She has advised, consulted and fulfilled in-house roles on over 70 major infrastructure projects, including: 2018 Commonwealth Games, Canberra Light Rail, Gold Coast Light Rail, Sydney Light Rail, Gateway Motorway and Crossrail (London).

Adrienne Ward: Adrienne Ward owns and operates several family businesses in Gladstone and supports various not-for-profit organisations in the central Queensland region. She has a background in corporate and government strategy in state and national roles.

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#18
On what basis can this body ever be called independent?

All bar one, are either currently receiving money from the Govt, have previously received funding from the Govt or are former senior Govt employees from the transport sector.
Regards,
Fares_Fair


ozbob

#19
Quote from: Fares_Fair on August 01, 2019, 21:34:09 PM
On what basis can this body ever be called independent?

All bar one, are either currently receiving money from the Govt, have previously received funding from the Govt or are former senior Govt employees from the transport sector.

It is not of the form that the Fare Review Taskforce in 2016 thought.  There seems to be no base level user input.  The timing of the this media release was the day before estimates to head off the lack of action in forming the PTFAP as was raised in estimates in 2018.  You really do have to wonder about the future of this state.

QuoteWho will be on the Fare Advisory Panel?

The Fare Advisory Panel will include up to six
members, including a Chair. Members will
have expertise in public transport or represent
public transport user groups.

https://translink.com.au/sites/default/files/assets/resources/about-translink/projects-initiatives/fare-review/qld-government-response-to-seq-fare-review.pdf  page 10  published 2016
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Quote from: ozbob on January 03, 2021, 08:53:45 AM
PTFAP  terms of reference

https://translink.com.au/sites/default/files/assets/resources/about-translink/projects-initiatives/ptfap-terms-of-reference.pdf

Unfortunately the document (^) is not dated.

Anyone heard anything about this panel?

Document was created on 18/09/2019. PDF files store their creation date inside the file. That probably doesn't help with when it was released, but gives some idea of the creation time.

Edit: also, does anyone know who Julie Castle is? The rest of the board members are reasonably familiar, but I've got no idea about Castle.

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Received advice that the PTFAP is still has the same members and has met a number of times in 2020.
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Quote from: achiruel on January 06, 2021, 17:23:17 PM
^ did they do anything in those meeting?  :dntk

We do not know.  No public record or public briefing.
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Page 216 DTMR 2021-2022 Annual Report

https://www.publications.qld.gov.au/ckan-publications-attachments-prod/resources/d48dcb51-f328-49df-bb87-eef8573b6347/department-of-transport-and-main-roads-annual-report_2021-2022.pdf

Public Transport Fares Advisory Panel

Act or instrument Terms of Reference

Functions: The purpose of the Panel is to provide independent expert advice to the Queensland Government on changes it may propose to public transport fares, products, and ticketing in the future.

Achievements: The Panel met once during 2021–22 to consider and provide advice on fare policy proposals.

Financial reporting: Transactions for the Public Transport Fares Advisory Panel are accounted for as part of the Department of Transport and Main Roads Financial Statements process.
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Queensland Parliament

https://documents.parliament.qld.gov.au/tableOffice/questionsAnswers/2023/695-2023.pdf

Question on Notice
No. 695
Asked on 25 May 2023

MR A POWELL ASKED MINISTER FOR TRANSPORT AND MAIN ROADS AND MINISTER
FOR DIGITIAL SERVICES (HON M BAILEY)

QUESTION:

Will the Minister advise (a) the dates that the Public Transport Fares Advisory Panel met in 2022
and (b) any recommendations from the panel during this time?

ANSWER:

I thank the Member for Glass House for the question.

The Public Transport Fares Advisory Panel (panel) was established as a recommendation of the
Southeast Queensland Fare Review Taskforce, to provide independent expert advice to inform
future government decisions on public transport fares, products and ticketing. Panel members
have a broad range of expertise, including specialist transport knowledge, community insights,
regional perspectives and industry experience.

While the panel's advice is important to government decision making, it remains the government's
role to set fares considering factors such as operational costs, government priorities and
community views.

On 5 September 2022, the panel met and considered Smart Ticketing implementation and postCOVID-19 patronage growth but did not make any specific recommendations.

On 28 October 2022, the panel provided advice out-of-session about the annual fare increase for
public transport from January 2023. The panel advised an increase of between three and
four per cent could assist in balancing impacts on customers and providing some cost base relief.
In line with this advice, the Palaszczuk Government then raised South East Queensland fares by
three per cent in January 2023, well short of the September Consumer Price Index (CPI) figure
of 7.9 per cent.

Public transport fares are adjusted regularly to reflect increasing costs of service provision and
are traditionally based on changes to the CPI rate. The Palaszczuk Government has taken strong
action to make public transport more affordable for Queenslanders. In January 2022, the
Palaszczuk Government deferred the South East Queensland annual fare increase until
4 July 2022 to support Queenslanders during a challenging stage of the pandemic.

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