Core Anytime Network

[aldonius]

As I've said historically, I think on the major corridors buses should run 24/7. The initial network would be the Blue Glider, the 199, the 111, 222, 333 and 412.

Eventually, as the city densifies, the network would grow to the point where all NightLink services run every night.

(Discussion split from the NightLink timetabling thread.)

[verbatim9]

I like the wording too! Core anytime Network Can also be promoted marketed as Go! Anytime Network

[aldonius]

Go! Anytime Network

That's more or less how I originally thought of the phrase, back in mid 2013. The TL review proposed the 'Go Network' for the core frequent routes, so 'Go Anytime Network' was the original phrasing. I've chosen 'Core Anytime Network' for this by analogy to RBoT's earlier 'Core Frequent Network' initiative.

[verbatim9]

Makes sense

[verbatim9]

The Queensland Greens support a 24/7 bi-directional core network in Se Qld.

[Golliwog]

No rail? I would have thought a good way to start (and an easy marketing idea as well) would be to piggyback on the 15-minute off peak rail frequency areas.

[#Metro]

I think it is very good. Congrats.
Only grumble from me is that it should be 30 min minimum frequency, but I accept that you have to start from somewhere.

[aldonius]

Foot in the door, foot in the door, foot in the door. Getting all the major corridors covered would be achieved as of the fourth phase or so.

Phase 1: as per map.
Phase 2: introduce 61, 140, 196, 230, 300, RBoT-400. Bump existing up to half-hourly.
Phase 3: really get into it: 100, 130, 180, 220, 310, 345, N392, 444
Phase 4: do the rest of the current NightLink network and any other deserving daytime-frequent corridors.

I'm actually pretty ambivalent about all-night rail, the demand isn't really there. I mean even London until very recently has gotten by without it after midnight.

[James]

No rail? I would have thought a good way to start (and an easy marketing idea as well) would be to piggyback on the 15-minute off peak rail frequency areas.

I guess the problem is that the railway line avoids all but one of the 'Big 4' shopping centres, and that the only 'Big 4' that rail serves (Indro) is off-alignment and too close to a better trip generator (UQ). The overnight network would exist as something to cover the inner city nightlife hotspots and serve areas of higher demand.

Remember, Brisbane's CBD is a pretty boring place. I've walked through the CBD at 8-9pm on a weeknight - I've been to funerals which are more lively. Compare it to Sydney or Melbourne and there's just no comparison. Stick with something basic first and see if it works.

[#Metro]

I agree with others to start things small. You could just pick the 199 and 60 bus services to start with.

No maroon wasteglider??

[achiruel]

I'd rather the 175 as an overnight service, as it actually goes near where people live.

[aldonius]

It's a bit of an internal debate for me, too.

[#Metro]

Maybe start small and see how it goes. Not everything can be predicted. Blue CityGlider and 199 an obvious choice.

[aldonius]

I've been rethinking over the N412 and N333 alignments, and I've determined that they too can run two-way along Adelaide St and that the detours are not substantial enough to be an issue, especially late at night with little traffic. Further, the N333 can use the Skew St portal to get to and from Normanby and Roma St on-street, while the N412 outbound can use Milton Rd until Cribb St and thereby stop at Roma St both directions.

All of which is to say that the map no longer needs to have any one-way loops on it.

[achiruel]

I'd also like to see an N230 and N377, maybe the two could be combined.

[#Metro]

I'd also like to see an N230 and N377, maybe the two could be combined.

I would agree with Achiruel. I think something is needed for Bulimba, either BulimbaGlider or 230 needs to run that way.

I also think hourly buses are cheap but useless. Half hourly would be the way to go. Probably package it with deregulated trading hours as well.

[aldonius]

Ultimately, almost every corridor that needs frequent all-day service should get 24/7 service.

My aim is simply to get *something* in place, then ramp improvements from there.

[Gazza]

I personally don't really see why expensive 24h service should be implemented in preference to having 15 min daytime services across a much broader area of the city.

[#Metro]

Ultimately, almost every corridor that needs frequent all-day service should get 24/7 service.

My aim is simply to get *something* in place, then ramp improvements from there.

Well I agree, but Bulimba already has very high usage on the poor services that it has already, and it is a restaurant/movies district.

[Gazza]

The cinemas and restaurants arent open 24h though are they?

[#Metro]

I would start off with the Blue CityGlider and 199 BUZ initially. Deregulate trading hours also. Low hanging fruit really, and keeps with their Jobs, Jobs, Jobs theme!

[ezekial]

I personally don't really see why expensive 24h service should be implemented in preference to having 15 min daytime services across a much broader area of the city

To adonius' defence, I assume the night-time improvements would be intended to run alongside (probably more important) daytime improvements - before or after the fare reform, which is likely to push up patronage 

The 'Core Daytime Network' or whatever name it took, could look something like below - (I know it's rudimentary, but I don't have all the time or knowledge of all areas).

And then... my dream... of making some sense of the 'Glider' brand that is in place by establishing a Gilder Network! Where every service has significant bus priority measures along the route such that it could be marketed to bus-phobic people by offering travel times that compete with private car -- you could even promote the average speed of the Gilder vs old network given the fewer stops and less congestion!
Perhaps I should place this post elsewhere?

[aldonius]

For clarity: Completing the Core Frequent Network is more important than starting the Core Anytime Network.

But as we all know, here in Queensland things tend to take a long time to happen. So I'm getting in early.

[#Metro]

The 'Core Daytime Network' or whatever name it took, could look something like below - (I know it's rudimentary, but I don't have all the time or knowledge of all areas).

You left out Bulimba also.