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Media release 24th September 2014

SEQ: Can we please see out of and into buses, trains, ferries and trams!

RAIL Back On Track (http://backontrack.org) a web based community support group for rail and public transport and an advocate for public transport passengers has said recent publicity concerning all over advertising wraps reducing passenger vision on trams, is also an issue on buses and trains in SEQ (1).

Robert Dow, Spokesman for RAIL Back On Track said:

"There has been an increasing use of all over advertising wraps on buses, trains for a number of years now.  The same has happened to the new trams on the Gold Coast. These advertising wraps usually cover windows and block clear vision."

"We have had feedback from the public and members that these wraps do make it difficult to see out of particularly at night and can make it difficult to know location, and also make it difficult to see into the vehicles at any time. In these troubled times this is not a good security outcome."

"The advertising revenue gained from these wraps could be maintained by more appropriate advertising placement. For example, on areas of the vehicles away from windows, internally and externally."

"We call for the removal of advertising wraps from window areas on all public transport vehicles, trains, buses and trams."

Reference:

1. http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/news/gold-coast/mayor-tom-tate-leads-push-to-get-ugly-advertising-wraps-taken-off-gold-coast-trams/story-fnj94idh-1227061919059

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Noosa councillors against excessive advertising on buses, and certainly not on Noosa's proposed electric buses.  http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/noosas-electric-bus-gets-traction/2178365/

I don't agree with the aversion to advertisment on public transport. There are signs and ads on buildings and the like already. Many wraps are one-way, that is you can't see in but you can see out. http://www.humantransit.org/2009/09/berlin-seen-through-a-buswrap.html

Taking into consideration the multitude of other problems, this is a 'first world' problem.

If local councils don't want ads in their area, then they are free to raise revenue equal to that made by the transit agency from ad revenue and pay the agency to keep that space empty.

I don't have a problem with ads as such, just leave the windows alone!

8)

Again, I think a blanket ban isn't appropriate. A bus with an all-over advertising wrap from front-to-back is a bad idea (like the ones seen on the Sunshine Coast) and quite frankly, has a high visual impact. If there is just advertising on the back windows or a small portion of the windows, I'm not as fussed - people who need to see out of the bus can move if they wish.

For trains, with onboard station announcements and bright station lighting, it really does not matter that much. Trams is half-and-half - I'd recommend just alternating advertising/no advertising carriages. Again, those who need to see outside can move.

Hornibrook are synonmous with having ads plastered the full bus length.....a near impossibility to see approaching bus stops.......if they must keep the ads on then it is time for them to upgrade to what clark logan currently have....so pax can easily see the approaching bus stop...simple

Not that its major but they also wreck the experience of going over the ted smout bridge....beautiful views of the bay wasted..
Lets just hope QR dont wreck those wonderful views from the train when hitting nerang/coomera etc and plaster ads over the windows 8)

Quote from: techblitz on September 24, 2014, 11:23:19 AM
Not that its major but they also wreck the experience of going over the ted smout bridge....beautiful views of the bay wasted..
Lets just hope QR dont wreck those wonderful views from the train when hitting nerang/coomera etc and plaster ads over the windows 8)

They already have on some sets.

I'm not as ropable as old Dawny (Cr Crichlow in Southport) but I would prefer windows to be kept bare.

This includes TransLink's own insipid bus livery which involves plastering vinyl decals over the windowline.  The recent revision to it cuts down on this but it still encroaches on the windows a bit on some models.

Wrap over windows is outright VANDALISM and an INSULT to the PAYING PUBLIC on ANY public transport.

Campbell Newman's comment "window wrap advertising does not obstruct passenger's view"
This is an blatant arrogant lie. I'm through will all Newman's continuous lies.

Newman is known for arrogant lies... eg. 'Our trams are world class' is nowhere near the mark, totally ignoring noise mitigation to save $$$.

Maybe Ozob can start a Change.org Partition, against transport wraps on windows in QLD,  that we and many others can contribute some weight behind the public that are impacted in their daily transits.
If Ozbob doesn't, I will...

https://www.change.org/p/campbell-newman-we-call-for-the-removal-of-advertising-wraps-from-all-window-areas-on-all-qld-public-transport-vehicles-trains-buses-and-trams (https://www.change.org/p/campbell-newman-we-call-for-the-removal-of-advertising-wraps-from-all-window-areas-on-all-qld-public-transport-vehicles-trains-buses-and-trams)

Campbell Newman's failure to understand his role as servant of the people, will result in him responsible for his whole govt demise at the comming election.

Hey Premier Newman, can you say this as one of your arrogant lies? ....
"I didn't get it right. Simply put, we have to do better. And we will.
We will listen openly, engage our critics constructively, and seek continuous improvement in everything we do".
SAY IT NEWMAN... You can't, don't have the guts.

NB. All mobile vehicle advertising is illegal in New York City. A number of municipalities have introduced strict laws in order to mandate against mobile advertisements.

PARKLAND VIEW - WRAP ON WINDOW
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This is not graffiti, it's vandalism done by your govt.

PARKLAND VIEW - NO WRAP WINDOW
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I will continue to work away publicly and privately at getting the stuff removed Johny.  Please start up a petition if you wish.

I have had a fair bit of feedback re the wraps causing issues for folk.  It also destroys the views.

I do not wish to overplay this point but there are security issues as well.  Cannot see what his happening on board many of the vehicles, in fact cannot even see how many pax on board.

Ok then, spread the news, here we go... An official Partition has been started on Change.org  :-t

https://www.change.org/p/campbell-newman-we-call-for-the-removal-of-advertising-wraps-from-all-window-areas-on-all-qld-public-transport-vehicles-trains-buses-and-trams (https://www.change.org/p/campbell-newman-we-call-for-the-removal-of-advertising-wraps-from-all-window-areas-on-all-qld-public-transport-vehicles-trains-buses-and-trams)

So let's all officially tell our QLD State Govt where to.. Wrap Off.   :pr

 8)  Thanks.

Also useful to write to your local MPs one and all. 

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25th September 2014

Re: SEQ: Can we please see out of and into buses, trains and trams!

View through an ad wrap

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Petition --> https://www.change.org/p/campbell-newman-we-call-for-the-removal-of-advertising-wraps-from-all-window-areas-on-all-qld-public-transport-vehicles-trains-buses-and-trams

Have a great day! Go often, even if you cannot see where you are going!

Best wishes
Robert

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RAIL Back On Track http://backontrack.org

Quote from: ozbob on September 24, 2014, 03:18:27 AM
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Media release 24th September 2014

SEQ: Can we please see out of and into buses, trains and trams!

RAIL Back On Track (http://backontrack.org) a web based community support group for rail and public transport and an advocate for public transport passengers has said recent publicity concerning all over advertising wraps reducing passenger vision on trams, is also an issue on buses and trains in SEQ (1).

Robert Dow, Spokesman for RAIL Back On Track said:

"There has been an increasing use of all over advertising wraps on buses, trains for a number of years now.  The same has happened to the new trams on the Gold Coast. These advertising wraps usually cover windows and block clear vision."

"We have had feedback from the public and members that these wraps do make it difficult to see out of particularly at night and can make it difficult to know location, and also make it difficult to see into the vehicles at any time. In these troubled times this is not a good security outcome."

"The advertising revenue gained from these wraps could be maintained by more appropriate advertising placement. For example, on areas of the vehicles away from windows, internally and externally."

"We call for the removal of advertising wraps from window areas on all public transport vehicles, trains, buses and trams."

Reference:

1. http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/news/gold-coast/mayor-tom-tate-leads-push-to-get-ugly-advertising-wraps-taken-off-gold-coast-trams/story-fnj94idh-1227061919059

Contact:

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track http://backontrack.org

The photos from above look like they were shot with a telephoto lens as you can still make out the dark spots from the wrap.

No camera tricks with that photo.
You will notice the window is not transparent any more.
When this happens, the closer obstruction forces your eyes to focus on the window with the wrap on it....therefore distance becomes blurred as you have all this crap in the way deceiving your vision.

Here's a little fun experiment. Try putting your hand in front of your face, separate your fingers, and strain to focus on the distance.  :-w

This shouldn't have to happen, end of story.

Quote from: Johnny on September 25, 2014, 23:04:05 PM
No camera tricks with that photo.
You will notice the window is not transparent any more.
When this happens, the closer obstruction forces your eyes to focus on the window with the wrap on it....therefore distance becomes blurred as you have all this cr%p in the way deceiving your vision.

Here's a little fun experiment. Try putting your hand in front of your face, separate your fingers, and strain to focus on the distance.  :-w

This shouldn't have to happen, end of story.

Which is how a telephoto lens works.... All you have done is focus on the background. Saying wrap on window and then having a photo with the caption no wrap window at least to me is missleading.

I have tried to take photographs through wraps many times. Never work.

Windows are on public transport vehicles for a reason.  It is an idiocy to cover them up with ads. 

It is often disorientating to people, particularly at night.  Cannot see into the vehicle, this is potentially a serious matter.

The public is being treated with contempt, as usual.

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27th September 2014

Re: SEQ: Can we please see out of and into buses, trains and trams!

Greetings,

The wraps are clearly a security issue.  If you cannot see into public transport vehicles it is hard to know what might be going on board them.

If you cannot see out of the vehicles it is difficult to know where one is at times, particularly during night hours.

Public transport vehicles have windows for a reason.   Are buses, trams and trains for passengers built without windows?  Bit of no-brainer hey?

Best wishes
Robert

Robert Dow
Administration
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RAIL Back On Track http://backontrack.org

Quote from: ozbob on September 25, 2014, 06:09:40 AM
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25th September 2014

Re: SEQ: Can we please see out of and into buses, trains and trams!

View through an ad wrap

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Petition --> https://www.change.org/p/campbell-newman-we-call-for-the-removal-of-advertising-wraps-from-all-window-areas-on-all-qld-public-transport-vehicles-trains-buses-and-trams

Have a great day! Go often, even if you cannot see where you are going!

Best wishes
Robert

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track http://backontrack.org

Quote from: ozbob on September 24, 2014, 03:18:27 AM
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Media release 24th September 2014

SEQ: Can we please see out of and into buses, trains and trams!

RAIL Back On Track (http://backontrack.org) a web based community support group for rail and public transport and an advocate for public transport passengers has said recent publicity concerning all over advertising wraps reducing passenger vision on trams, is also an issue on buses and trains in SEQ (1).

Robert Dow, Spokesman for RAIL Back On Track said:

"There has been an increasing use of all over advertising wraps on buses, trains for a number of years now.  The same has happened to the new trams on the Gold Coast. These advertising wraps usually cover windows and block clear vision."

"We have had feedback from the public and members that these wraps do make it difficult to see out of particularly at night and can make it difficult to know location, and also make it difficult to see into the vehicles at any time. In these troubled times this is not a good security outcome."

"The advertising revenue gained from these wraps could be maintained by more appropriate advertising placement. For example, on areas of the vehicles away from windows, internally and externally."

"We call for the removal of advertising wraps from window areas on all public transport vehicles, trains, buses and trams."

Reference:

1. http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/news/gold-coast/mayor-tom-tate-leads-push-to-get-ugly-advertising-wraps-taken-off-gold-coast-trams/story-fnj94idh-1227061919059

Contact:

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track http://backontrack.org

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Media release 24th September 2014 re-released 9th October 2014

SEQ: Can we please see out of and into buses, trains and trams!

RAIL Back On Track (http://backontrack.org) a web based community support group for rail and public transport and an advocate for public transport passengers has said recent publicity concerning all over advertising wraps reducing passenger vision on trams, is also an issue on buses and trains in SEQ (1).

Robert Dow, Spokesman for RAIL Back On Track said:

"There has been an increasing use of all over advertising wraps on buses, trains for a number of years now.  The same has happened to the new trams on the Gold Coast. These advertising wraps usually cover windows and block clear vision."

"We have had feedback from the public and members that these wraps do make it difficult to see out of particularly at night and can make it difficult to know location, and also make it difficult to see into the vehicles at any time. In these troubled times this is not a good security outcome."

"The advertising revenue gained from these wraps could be maintained by more appropriate advertising placement. For example, on areas of the vehicles away from windows, internally and externally."

"We call for the removal of advertising wraps from window areas on all public transport vehicles, trains, buses and trams."

Reference:

1. http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/news/gold-coast/mayor-tom-tate-leads-push-to-get-ugly-advertising-wraps-taken-off-gold-coast-trams/story-fnj94idh-1227061919059

Contact:

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track http://backontrack.org

It is a problem on many systems ...

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Daniel Bowen ‏@danielbowen

Thanks to ads on side of train, impossible to read station signs. Inside display claims Flinders St, but is wrong.

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Daniel Bowen ‏@danielbowen

We seem to be on platform 4, somewhere. #metrotrains #ExternalTrainAds

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Media release 24th September 2014 re-released 11th November 2014

Australia: Can we please see out of and into buses, trains and trams!

RAIL Back On Track (http://backontrack.org) a web based community support group for rail and public transport and an advocate for public transport passengers has said recent publicity concerning all over advertising wraps reducing passenger vision on trams, is also an issue on buses and trains in SEQ (1).

Robert Dow, Spokesman for RAIL Back On Track said:

"There has been an increasing use of all over advertising wraps on buses, trains for a number of years now.  The same has happened to the new trams on the Gold Coast. These advertising wraps usually cover windows and block clear vision."

"We have had feedback from the public and members that these wraps do make it difficult to see out of particularly at night and can make it difficult to know location, and also make it difficult to see into the vehicles at any time. In these troubled times this is not a good security outcome."

"The advertising revenue gained from these wraps could be maintained by more appropriate advertising placement. For example, on areas of the vehicles away from windows, internally and externally."

"Windows on vehicles are there for a reason, otherwise they would be built without windows! "

"We call for the removal of advertising wraps from window areas on all public transport vehicles, trains, buses and trams."

Reference:

1. http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/news/gold-coast/mayor-tom-tate-leads-push-to-get-ugly-advertising-wraps-taken-off-gold-coast-trams/story-fnj94idh-1227061919059

Contact:

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track http://backontrack.org

how we going with this?
an interesting obs on my 110(wilawong bus) this evening...
the advertising was not covering entire bus.....these wraps when wet(rain) collect droplets and the wind from acceleration has no effect so when these things get wet the water embedded in/on the wraps make it even harder to see than it already is..everything is just a massive blur.....zero visibility...however the windows that werent covered with wraps?....the wind hitting the sidescreens easily cleared all the water away and the outside was perfectly visible from the inside....

Thanks for that feedback. It is bad hey?  We continue to work away ...

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22nd February 2015

Can we see out of and into public transport vehicles please?

Greetings,

The recent wet weather has again highlighted the very poor vision that results from advertising wraps being applied to the windows of public transport vehicles.

http://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=10971.msg153346#msg153346

" ... an interesting obs on my 110 (bus) this evening...
the advertising was not covering entire bus.....these wraps when wet(rain) collect droplets and the wind from acceleration has no effect so when these things get wet the water embedded in/on the wraps make it even harder to see than it already is..everything is just a massive blur.....zero visibility...however the windows that weren't covered with wraps?....the wind hitting the sidescreens easily cleared all the water away and the outside was perfectly visible from the inside.... "

This is very disorientating to passengers, and also has some safety and security implications.

Public transport vehicles; buses, trains and trams have windows for a reason.  It is very poor policy to be covering up these windows with advertising wraps.

Can the advertising material on windows be removed please?

Thank you.

Best wishes
Robert

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track http://backontrack.org

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Media release 24th September 2014 re-released 11th November 2014 re-released 22nd February 2015

Australia: Can we please see out of and into buses, trains and trams!

RAIL Back On Track (http://backontrack.org) a web based community support group for rail and public transport and an advocate for public transport passengers has said recent publicity concerning all over advertising wraps reducing passenger vision on trams, is also an issue on buses and trains in SEQ (1).

Robert Dow, Spokesman for RAIL Back On Track said:

"There has been an increasing use of all over advertising wraps on buses, trams and trains for a number of years now.  The same has happened to the new trams on the Gold Coast. These advertising wraps usually cover windows and block clear vision."

"We have had feedback from the public and members that these wraps do make it difficult to see out of particularly at night and can make it difficult to know location, and also make it difficult to see into the vehicles at any time. In these troubled times this is not a good security outcome."

"The advertising revenue gained from these wraps could be maintained by more appropriate advertising placement. For example, on areas of the vehicles away from windows, internally and externally."

"Windows on vehicles are there for a reason, otherwise they would be built without windows! "

"We call for the removal of advertising wraps from window areas on all public transport vehicles, trains, buses and trams."

Reference:

1. http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/news/gold-coast/mayor-tom-tate-leads-push-to-get-ugly-advertising-wraps-taken-off-gold-coast-trams/story-fnj94idh-1227061919059

Contact:

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track http://backontrack.org

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14th April 2015

Australia: Can we please see out of and into buses, trains and trams!

Greetings,

ANZAC day coming up.  100 years.

(http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/43c950a6daca0ce8efe5e494ee231553?interlace=false&api_key=qy2gvdw92m3b23ptgyv4995z)

http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/43c950a6daca0ce8efe5e494ee231553?interlace=false&api_key=qy2gvdw92m3b23ptgyv4995z
BT Commemorative bus with full wrap.

Couriermail Quest --> Brisbane City Council has launched Anzac commemorative bus and ferry (http://www.couriermail.com.au/questnews/city/brisbane-city-council-has-launched-anzac-commemorative-bus-and-ferry-ahead-of-centenary/story-fni9r0jy-1227299011016)

There is a problem with these wraps however.  It makes it very difficult to see out of and into the buses.  Buses and other transport vehicles are designed with windows for a reason.

Any chance of safety and commonsense over-riding crass advertising?  The travelling public is being simply treated with contempt with the general placement of these ad wraps.

As a returned soldier who served for 22 years in the RAAMC, I like to think my service was not directed to making public transport vehicles visually inaccessible and I suspect other ex soldiers agree.

Stand fast!

Best wishes,
Robert

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track http://backontrack.org

Quote from: ozbob on February 22, 2015, 03:30:33 AM
Sent to all outlets:

22nd February 2015

Can we see out of and into public transport vehicles please?

Greetings,

The recent wet weather has again highlighted the very poor vision that results from advertising wraps being applied to the windows of public transport vehicles.

http://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=10971.msg153346#msg153346

" ... an interesting obs on my 110 (bus) this evening...
the advertising was not covering entire bus.....these wraps when wet(rain) collect droplets and the wind from acceleration has no effect so when these things get wet the water embedded in/on the wraps make it even harder to see than it already is..everything is just a massive blur.....zero visibility...however the windows that weren't covered with wraps?....the wind hitting the sidescreens easily cleared all the water away and the outside was perfectly visible from the inside.... "

This is very disorientating to passengers, and also has some safety and security implications.

Public transport vehicles; buses, trains and trams have windows for a reason.  It is very poor policy to be covering up these windows with advertising wraps.

Can the advertising material on windows be removed please?

Thank you.

Best wishes
Robert

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track http://backontrack.org

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Media release 24th September 2014 re-released 11th November 2014 re-released 22nd February 2015  re-released  14th April 2015

Australia: Can we please see out of and into buses, trains and trams!

RAIL Back On Track (http://backontrack.org) a web based community support group for rail and public transport and an advocate for public transport passengers has said recent publicity concerning all over advertising wraps reducing passenger vision on trams, is also an issue on buses and trains in SEQ (1).

Robert Dow, Spokesman for RAIL Back On Track said:

"There has been an increasing use of all over advertising wraps on buses, trams and trains for a number of years now.  The same has happened to the new trams on the Gold Coast. These advertising wraps usually cover windows and block clear vision."

"We have had feedback from the public and members that these wraps do make it difficult to see out of particularly at night and can make it difficult to know location, and also make it difficult to see into the vehicles at any time. In these troubled times this is not a good security outcome."

"The advertising revenue gained from these wraps could be maintained by more appropriate advertising placement. For example, on areas of the vehicles away from windows, internally and externally."

"Windows on vehicles are there for a reason, otherwise they would be built without windows! "

"We call for the removal of advertising wraps from window areas on all public transport vehicles, trains, buses and trams."

Reference:

1. http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/news/gold-coast/mayor-tom-tate-leads-push-to-get-ugly-advertising-wraps-taken-off-gold-coast-trams/story-fnj94idh-1227061919059

Contact:

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track http://backontrack.org

Brisbanetimes --> Council defends bus advertising slammed by resident (http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/council-defends-bus-advertising-slammed-by-resident-20151103-gkpzph.html)

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4th November 2015

Australia: Can we please see out of and into buses, trains and trams!

Good Morning,

Brisbanetimes has highlighted the problem with ad wraps today.

Brisbanetimes --> Council defends bus advertising slammed by resident (http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/council-defends-bus-advertising-slammed-by-resident-20151103-gkpzph.html)

Public transport vehicles have windows for a reason. To see out of and into.  Covering up the windows reduces vision, particularly at night and when wet.  It is very disorientating for passengers.

Our repeated calls about this scourge remained ignored (below).  It is a real measure of the contempt for passengers by public transport authorities?

Advertising can be placed leaving the windows clear for what they are designed to do, allow vision in and out.  Not being able to see into public transport vehicles is also a potential security issue.

It is not only buses, but trains and trams that are afflicted with this damnation of ad wraps.

No surprise to us that BCC is struggling to defend the practise.  BCC is not a team player, they are anti-network reform too.

Hope you can see out of your bus?

Best wishes
Robert

Robert Dow
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RAIL Back On Track http://backontrack.org

Quote from: ozbob on April 14, 2015, 03:09:42 AM
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14th April 2015

Australia: Can we please see out of and into buses, trains and trams!

Greetings,

ANZAC day coming up.  100 years.

(http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/43c950a6daca0ce8efe5e494ee231553?interlace=false&api_key=qy2gvdw92m3b23ptgyv4995z)

http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/43c950a6daca0ce8efe5e494ee231553?interlace=false&api_key=qy2gvdw92m3b23ptgyv4995z
BT Commemorative bus with full wrap.

Couriermail Quest --> Brisbane City Council has launched Anzac commemorative bus and ferry (http://www.couriermail.com.au/questnews/city/brisbane-city-council-has-launched-anzac-commemorative-bus-and-ferry-ahead-of-centenary/story-fni9r0jy-1227299011016)

There is a problem with these wraps however.  It makes it very difficult to see out of and into the buses.  Buses and other transport vehicles are designed with windows for a reason.

Any chance of safety and commonsense over-riding crass advertising?  The travelling public is being simply treated with contempt with the general placement of these ad wraps.

As a returned soldier who served for 22 years in the RAAMC, I like to think my service was not directed to making public transport vehicles visually inaccessible and I suspect other ex soldiers agree.

Stand fast!

Best wishes,
Robert

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track http://backontrack.org

Quote from: ozbob on February 22, 2015, 03:30:33 AM
Sent to all outlets:

22nd February 2015

Can we see out of and into public transport vehicles please?

Greetings,

The recent wet weather has again highlighted the very poor vision that results from advertising wraps being applied to the windows of public transport vehicles.

http://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=10971.msg153346#msg153346

" ... an interesting obs on my 110 (bus) this evening...
the advertising was not covering entire bus.....these wraps when wet(rain) collect droplets and the wind from acceleration has no effect so when these things get wet the water embedded in/on the wraps make it even harder to see than it already is..everything is just a massive blur.....zero visibility...however the windows that weren't covered with wraps?....the wind hitting the sidescreens easily cleared all the water away and the outside was perfectly visible from the inside.... "

This is very disorientating to passengers, and also has some safety and security implications.

Public transport vehicles; buses, trains and trams have windows for a reason.  It is very poor policy to be covering up these windows with advertising wraps.

Can the advertising material on windows be removed please?

Thank you.

Best wishes
Robert

Robert Dow
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Media release 24th September 2014 re-released 11th November 2014 re-released 22nd February 2015  re-released  14th April 2015

Australia: Can we please see out of and into buses, trains and trams!

RAIL Back On Track (http://backontrack.org) a web based community support group for rail and public transport and an advocate for public transport passengers has said recent publicity concerning all over advertising wraps reducing passenger vision on trams, is also an issue on buses and trains in SEQ (1).

Robert Dow, Spokesman for RAIL Back On Track said:

"There has been an increasing use of all over advertising wraps on buses, trams and trains for a number of years now.  The same has happened to the new trams on the Gold Coast. These advertising wraps usually cover windows and block clear vision."

"We have had feedback from the public and members that these wraps do make it difficult to see out of particularly at night and can make it difficult to know location, and also make it difficult to see into the vehicles at any time. In these troubled times this is not a good security outcome."

"The advertising revenue gained from these wraps could be maintained by more appropriate advertising placement. For example, on areas of the vehicles away from windows, internally and externally."

"Windows on vehicles are there for a reason, otherwise they would be built without windows! "

"We call for the removal of advertising wraps from window areas on all public transport vehicles, trains, buses and trams."

Reference:

1. http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/news/gold-coast/mayor-tom-tate-leads-push-to-get-ugly-advertising-wraps-taken-off-gold-coast-trams/story-fnj94idh-1227061919059

Contact:

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track http://backontrack.org

My blog comment at Brisbanetimes (http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/council-defends-bus-advertising-slammed-by-resident-20151103-gkpzph.html)

The issue with the ad wraps is that it blocks vision. Passengers on board become disorientated which is exacerbated at night/wet. Also a security issue as not possible to see into the vehicle.

Interesting that the Gold Coast Mayor stood up against ad wraps on the trams on the light rail.
Lord Mayor Quirk has never been on a bus would not know the effects.

Ads can be placed on vehicles away from the windows. Public transport vehicles, buses, trains, trams and ferries have windows for a reason! Blocking them up with ad wrap is showing little regard for passengers.

The problem is not confined to Brisbane. I note that in all states people are agitating against the practice of blocking window vision with wraps.

the gold coast is particularly hard if its raining and you want to try and recognise a building so you know that your bus stop is near.....

Twitter

Erin Richmond @girlcallederin

The view out my @ACTIONbuses window. Can't read street signs through this horrible visual pollution #publictransport

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Media release 24th September 2014 updated 7th November 2015

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SEQ: Can we please see out of and into buses, trains, ferries and trams!

RAIL Back On Track (http://backontrack.org) a web based community support group for rail and public transport and an advocate for public transport passengers has said recent publicity concerning all over advertising wraps reducing passenger vision on trams, is also an issue on buses, trains and ferries in SEQ (1).

Robert Dow, Spokesman for RAIL Back On Track said:

"There has been an increasing use of all over advertising wraps on buses, trains for a number of years now.  The same happened to the new trams on the Gold Coast. These advertising wraps usually cover windows and block clear vision."

"We have had feedback from the public and members that these wraps do make it difficult to see out of particularly at night, when wet and can make it difficult to know location, and also make it difficult to see into the vehicles at any time. In these troubled times this is not a good security outcome."

"The advertising revenue gained from these wraps could be maintained by more appropriate advertising placement. For example, on areas of the vehicles away from windows, internally and externally."

"We call for the removal of advertising wraps from window areas on all public transport vehicles, trains, buses, ferries and trams."

"Public transport vehicles have windows for a reason.  It is very poor policy to be covering up these windows with advertising wraps, it shows little regard to the needs of passengers."

Contact:

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track http://backontrack.org

Reference:

1. http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/news/gold-coast/mayor-tom-tate-leads-push-to-get-ugly-advertising-wraps-taken-off-gold-coast-trams/story-fnj94idh-1227061919059

2. http://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=10971.0

London ' Poppy ' bus. Note windows not covered with poppies ...  Lest we forget!

(http://www.london24.com/polopoly_fs/1.2937029.1382966216!/image/4147340637.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_630/4147340637.jpg)
http://www.london24.com/polopoly_fs/1.2937029.1382966216!/image/4147340637.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_630/4147340637.jpg

Sent to all outlets:

17th November 2015

Can we please see out of and into buses, trains, ferries and trams!

Good Morning,

It is essential that advertising wraps be removed from public transport vehicles.  We have pointed out since 2014 that is is a potential security issue as it obstructs clear vision into and out of the vehicles.

Time to act.  Other jurisdictions understand the need.   Advertising can be placed on vehicles, leaving windows free for clear vision.  Public transport vehicles have windows for a reason.  Do you cover up your car windows with advertising wraps?  You don't?  Well how about removing the material from the windows of buses, trains, trams and ferries please.

Thank you.

Best wishes,
Robert

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track http://backontrack.org

Footnote:  A blog comment on the CityCat Icon wrap competition -  Design a CityCat
>> http://brizcommuter.blogspot.com.au/2015/11/design-citycat.html

The security implications of these visual blockages should be obvious in the current global security situation.

Quote from: Fares_Fair on November 17, 2015, 13:29:06 PM
The security implications of these visual blockages should be obvious in the current global security situation.

Sure is.  Just shows the contempt public transport passengers are treated with IMHO.

Media release 24th September 2014 updated 7th November 2015 re-released 28th November 2015

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SEQ: Can we please see out of and into buses, trains, ferries and trams!

RAIL Back On Track (http://backontrack.org) a web based community support group for rail and public transport and an advocate for public transport passengers has said recent publicity concerning all over advertising wraps reducing passenger vision on trams, is also an issue on buses, trains and ferries in SEQ (1).

Robert Dow, Spokesman for RAIL Back On Track said:

"There has been an increasing use of all over advertising wraps on buses, trains for a number of years now.  The same happened to the new trams on the Gold Coast. These advertising wraps usually cover windows and block clear vision."

"We have had feedback from the public and members that these wraps do make it difficult to see out of particularly at night, when wet and can make it difficult to know location, and also make it difficult to see into the vehicles at any time. In these troubled times this is not a good security outcome."

"The advertising revenue gained from these wraps could be maintained by more appropriate advertising placement. For example, on areas of the vehicles away from windows, internally and externally."

"We call for the removal of advertising wraps from window areas on all public transport vehicles, trains, buses, ferries and trams."

"Public transport vehicles have windows for a reason.  It is very poor policy to be covering up these windows with advertising wraps, it shows little regard to the needs of passengers."

Contact:

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track http://backontrack.org

References:

1. http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/news/gold-coast/mayor-tom-tate-leads-push-to-get-ugly-advertising-wraps-taken-off-gold-coast-trams/story-fnj94idh-1227061919059

2. http://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=10971.0

3. London ' Poppy ' Bus showing good use of ad wrap with windows clear

(http://www.london24.com/polopoly_fs/1.2937029.1382966216!/image/4147340637.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_630/4147340637.jpg)

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Robert Dow ‏@Robert_Dow 3m

Do you support clear windows on PT vehicles @Rod4Bris @BenPennings ? @Team_Quirk is in the past on this .. #qldpol >>

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Media: 'Can we please see out of & into buses trains ferries & trams!'

> http://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=10971.msg164785#msg164785 ...

#qldpol @jackietrad @TMRQld @TransLinkSEQ

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. @Rod4Bris @BenPennings @Team_Quirk @jackietrad Blocking windows on CityCats ... sure ...

>> http://brizcommuter.blogspot.com.au/2015/11/design-citycat.html ...

#qldpol Farce!!

A pic from inside a tram showing a bit of window where there is a partial ad wrap covering

(http://backontrack.org/images/tours/28nov15/partialadwraptram.jpg)

The tram ad wrap completely obliterates vision when full

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Photographs R Dow 28th November 2015

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A lot of people trying to cram onto this advertisement

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. @andrew_lund ad-wrap, it is a scourge and an insult to passengers ..windows for a reason

>> http://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=10971.msg164785#msg164785 ... #springst #qldpol

I actually like the wraps. My public transport use is almost all done in peak hour, split 50/50 between wrapped and unwrapped buses (I live near a glider route). In the summer months, low morning and evening sun and the hectares of glass on the buses makes the unwrapped buses rather unpleasant and hot regardless of A.C., while the wrapped buses are noticeably cooler and more pleasant inside.

Quote from: hU0N on January 18, 2016, 20:37:38 PM
I actually like the wraps. My public transport use is almost all done in peak hour, split 50/50 between wrapped and unwrapped buses (I live near a glider route). In the summer months, low morning and evening sun and the hectares of glass on the buses makes the unwrapped buses rather unpleasant and hot regardless of A.C., while the wrapped buses are noticeably cooler and more pleasant inside.

I have noticed that too. The advertising wrap on Ferries, Busses, Trams and Trains is suited to the Qld climate. It deters Graffiti as well, like Glass Tag Etching

We need more wrapping on Trains. Maybe a big Qantas or Virgin wrap on half the train? A Coles or Woolworths wrap? A Broncos Wrap?

God no.

Sit under an air-conditioning vent if you get that hot.  If people are regulars they should be able to work out where they are.

Windows are for visibility.

Quote from: SurfRail on January 18, 2016, 20:53:10 PM
God no.

Sit under an air-conditioning vent if you get that hot.  If people are regulars they should be able to work out where they are.

Windows are for visibility.

Trains have next stop info on PIDs and via audible announcements. You can still see out the windows with wrap. Mmm! An Android phone wrap may look good. Movie title wraps. We should of had a "Star Wars Wrap" on a train when it came out!

What are you, 10?  :hg

Sensibly run systems don't pull this stuff.  Ours does.

I think wraps are good brightens up the network. Better than some Graffiti. Airline wraps like Qantas Tiger etc.... would be appropriate on the Gold Coast /Airport line, even if those trains are sometimes used on other lines.

I don't really think wraps cut down on heat... but as a laptop user they certainly cut down on reflected glare!

Yes, that is an advantage too being on your phone or laptop, easier to see the screen 👍
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Bus Shelter Wrap
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I hate them. They are a major problem for many users.  The vehicles are designed to run cool with unwrapped windows.

You have your view.  We have had constant feedback locally and around Australia about the problems they cause.

No, ad wraps are a scourge.  Why build public transport vehicles with windows?  You could save money by building windowless tin cans.

Idiots !!

There are potential security issues with wrapping the windows.  I am surprised that so called public transport enthusiasts fail to grasp the big picture, but hover on selfish narrow perspectives.

It will take one security incident that highlights the difficulty of seeing into the vehicles that will promptly see the removal of all adwrap from windows. Smart jurisdictions think ahead, but hey we are in banana-land.  London does not cover up windows.

You're welcome.

Our position is that ad-wrap is fine, as long as windows are left clear.

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Quote from: SurfRail on January 18, 2016, 20:53:10 PM
God no.

Sit under an air-conditioning vent if you get that hot.  If people are regulars they should be able to work out where they are.

Windows are for visibility.

Indeed! 

I have just walked down Adelaide St. I noted a bus with ad wrap, only the rear couple of side windows covered, most of the windows clear.  This is a lot better and preserves most of the clean/clear vision.

Quote from: ozbob on January 19, 2016, 01:56:02 AM
I hate them. They are a major problem for many users.  The vehicles are designed to run cool with unwrapped windows.

You have your view.  We have had constant feedback locally and around Australia about the problems they cause.

No, ad wraps are a scourge.  Why build public transport vehicles with windows?  You could save money by building windowless tin cans.

Idiots !!

There are potential security issues with wrapping the windows.  I am surprised that so called public transport enthusiasts fail to grasp the big picture, but hover on selfish narrow perspectives.

It will take one security incident that highlights the difficulty of seeing into the vehicles that will promptly see the removal of all adwrap from windows. Smart jurisdictions think ahead, but hey we are in banana-land.  London does not cover up windows.

You're welcome.

Concur.
Let's hope it doesn't become a case of 'we told you so'

Wrap is here to stay. It's worldwide and the Advertising marketing giant's like it.

Interesting article wraps must contribute alot to the Transit provider as per this :

http://www.entrepreneur.com/article/76826

http://www.apnoutdoor.com.au/products/transit

How long does this process take? 

A Typical bus wrap from initial idea to wrapping the bus takes about 1 month. This is the average time to go through the entire process.

Bus Wrap Models:

Full Wrap – This wrap includes full coverage of both sides, front and rear (no roof)

Half Wrap – Includes both sides below the windows, half of rear and the front

King Kong – Includes both sides along with area between front and rear tires, with full Coverage of both sides, front and rear(no roof)

Queen Kong – Includes both sides along with area between front and rear tires with coverage below the wheels.

Full Ribbon – Includes area both sides below the windows and above the belt line.

Partial Ribbon – Includes area both sides below the windows and above the belt line, between wheel wells.

Back Cap – Includes top of rear only.

Quote from: ozbob on January 19, 2016, 07:41:59 AM
I have just walked down Adelaide St. I noted a bus with ad wrap, only the rear couple of side windows covered, most of the windows clear.  This is a lot better and preserves most of the clean/clear vision.

I think you saw the half wrap this morning. Types of wraps explained above.

Quote from: hU0N on January 18, 2016, 20:37:38 PM
I actually like the wraps. My public transport use is almost all done in peak hour, split 50/50 between wrapped and unwrapped buses (I live near a glider route). In the summer months, low morning and evening sun and the hectares of glass on the buses makes the unwrapped buses rather unpleasant and hot regardless of A.C., while the wrapped buses are noticeably cooler and more pleasant inside.

Nooooooope. Not true. There are many factors that will influence this on buses. These include where you are sitting on the bus. What side of the bus you are sitting on. The model of bus you are on as the newer ones run the engines/exhausts extremely hot. This is amplified on the short stop/start routes such as those in the city. As too can the amount of passengers and the amount of time the doors open/close. This effect is no more evident on the EMUs during summer when you walk from carriage to carriage especially at the terminus when the doors are left open in carriages closer to the exit as those with no doors left open are very noticeably colder.

Quote from: verbatim9 on January 18, 2016, 20:44:51 PM
I have noticed that too. The advertising wrap on Ferries, Busses, Trams and Trains is suited to the Qld climate. It deters Graffiti as well, like Glass Tag Etching

Nooooooope. Not true. Grubs still scratch them. You might just not notice it.

Thanks FF.   I can see clearly now  ...

>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrHxhQPOO2c

:-t

Quote from: Fares_Fair on January 19, 2016, 13:51:44 PM

Quote from: ozbob on January 19, 2016, 01:56:02 AM
I hate them. They are a major problem for many users.  The vehicles are designed to run cool with unwrapped windows.

You have your view.  We have had constant feedback locally and around Australia about the problems they cause.

No, ad wraps are a scourge.  Why build public transport vehicles with windows?  You could save money by building windowless tin cans.

Idiots !!

There are potential security issues with wrapping the windows.  I am surprised that so called public transport enthusiasts fail to grasp the big picture, but hover on selfish narrow perspectives.

It will take one security incident that highlights the difficulty of seeing into the vehicles that will promptly see the removal of all adwrap from windows. Smart jurisdictions think ahead, but hey we are in banana-land.  London does not cover up windows.

You're welcome.

Concur.
Let's hope it doesn't become a case of 'we told you so'

Information to note..   this may have fallen off the back of a truck (that should've been on rail).

A complete advertising wrap for a bus costs $50,000 in Queensland, for just 4 weeks.   :-w

It's $2000 for the small panels.  :-w

It's Queensland  :bna:

You're welcome  :wi3

Rail advertising would be better value. That 4 weeks could turn into years  -  still seeing get "farewell the Sunlander" posters on board from 2014!

isn't logan city bus service the only bus company which doesn't advertise

Rain makes for a wonderful view, eh? :fp:

Rainy days highlight how much of a nuisance window-covering ad wraps are! So much for finding my stop :-r

Yo.

Here is a pic I took on a bus on the Sunny Coast last week.  Wet day as well, shows half and half, clearly the reduction in vision of this scourge.

(http://backontrack.org/images/tours/4feb16/bus631wrap.jpg)

Quote from: ozbob on February 12, 2016, 03:21:56 AM
Wet day as well, shows half and half, clearly the reduction in vision of this scourge.

Not great, is it? I hate it. Unfortunately, ads will be on PT vehicles (and covering their windows) as long as somebody is making a tonne of money from the advertising space.

:frs:

Yo.  It will take just one security incident and the crap wrap will be removed overnight.

It is a measure of the incompetents we have that they fail to grasp the fact that public transport vehicles have windows for a reason.  Maybe the next tranch of trains and buses should have no windows at all??  :P

We are dealing with total fukwits sadly.

Operators claim it doesn't reduce vision, yet would they put it on the windscreen?

Quote from: Gazza on February 12, 2016, 11:17:36 AM
Operators claim it doesn't reduce vision, yet would they put it on the windscreen?

If the ADR's would let them, probably!

I didn't find the current iiNet ones on the SMU's too bad, mind you it was reducing the morning sun on a fine day, which was nice.

At night I can appreciate it would have a one way mirror effect.

hornibrook are major culprits with full covering on a lot of thier buses....and as you know use very high traffic rds such as anzac,gympie rds....which would be their major selling point to clients....they seem to do be doing well in terms of bus upgrades etc....which leans to fact that they are generating sizeable revenue from thier advertising? Just wondering if westside are generating any revenue from advertising...they certainly need the money :-c :-c

The revenue is basically zilch compared to ticketing revenue. 

There is plenty of real estate on the arse end, waists and roofline of a bus to accommodate advertising.  No need for it to be on glazing whatsoever.

Yeah noticed more wrap on trains now. Wish they had done a Star Wars train wrap would of been great. Oh well! 😐

Quote from: Gazza on February 12, 2016, 11:17:36 AM
Operators claim it doesn't reduce vision, yet would they put it on the windscreen?

Thank you Gazza.  Post of the decade ..  thank you ^ thank you.

Do you mind if I borrow that line please?

Quote from: ozbob on February 12, 2016, 12:35:29 PM

Quote from: Gazza on February 12, 2016, 11:17:36 AM
Operators claim it doesn't reduce vision, yet would they put it on the windscreen?

Thank you Gazza.  Post of the decade ..  thank you ^ thank you.

Do you mind if I borrow that line please?

Off course they wouldnt put it on windscreens. There are blinds and visors right, similar thing! Usually the top quarter of windscreen has tinting or built in infused wrap as a visor!?

Quote from: verbatim9 on February 12, 2016, 13:40:41 PM

Quote from: ozbob on February 12, 2016, 12:35:29 PM

Quote from: Gazza on February 12, 2016, 11:17:36 AM
Operators claim it doesn't reduce vision, yet would they put it on the windscreen?

Thank you Gazza.  Post of the decade ..  thank you ^ thank you.

Do you mind if I borrow that line please?

Off course they wouldnt put it on windscreens. There are blinds and visors right, similar thing! Usually the top quarter of windscreen has tinting or built in infused wrap as a visor!?

I mean all the way across the front, so people could see an advert as the bus approaches.
Would they ever do that.

Its like in cars side windows ok but windscreens like that would be against the law. I dont think operators have mention windscreens to be wrapped?

I have been in Brisbane CBD today.  I noted a lot more BT buses with only one ad panel on side now.  This is a lot better and probably acceptable. Still buses with more though, and still some with complete wraps.

(http://backontrack.org/images/tours/12feb16/b1.jpg)

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Photographs R Dow 12th February 2016

I don't really mind the bus wraps and don't have a strong position on them.

I think if the wrap covered 60% of the bus, this is fine. People can choose to sit and look out the window in the unwrapped section.

Yes! That's a fair compromise to allow revenue to flow from wrap.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/violent-threats-made-against-greens-mayoral-candidate-for-brisbane-20160214-gmtx2y.html

Quote... Mr Pennings has also thrown his support behind independent mayoral candidate Jim Eldridge's plan to ban alcohol advertising on council busses.

"We have had a lot of feedback in regards to wrap around advertising on buses," he said.

"A lot of people, particularly at night, are having a hard time seeing their stop.

"There's enough things discouraging people from using public transport in regards to cost and frequency." ...

Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/violent-threats-made-against-greens-mayoral-candidate-for-brisbane-20160214-gmtx2y.html

I think its ok to have liquor advertising around the place on busses, bus stops and train stations its freedom of choice. I dont like too much Nannying we have enough of that already. Liquor is 18+ people can make informed choices.

Soon they will be proposing banning chip ads or soft drink ads or bottle water ads, or Bali ads because it might intice people to go to Bali and drink. Where does it stop????

Sent to all outlets:

17th February 2016

Can we please see out of and into buses, trains, trams and ferries?

Greetings,

We are delighted that the Greens Candidate for Brisbane Lord Mayor Ben Pennings has raised the issue of all over wraps on public transport vehicles making it difficult for passengers to know their location, particularly at night or when wet (1).  There is also a potential security issue with all over wraps as it is not possible to see into the vehicle. A wrapped bus for example, would be a much more obvious target for evil doings than an unwrapped bus.

This is what confronts a passenger. Photograph from inside of a bus with all over advertising wrap.

(http://backontrack.org/images/memes/AOAWindowCovering.jpg)
http://backontrack.org/images/memes/AOAWindowCovering.jpg

On a recent visit to Brisbane CBD I noted an increased number of buses with limited advertising.

(http://backontrack.org/images/tours/12feb16/b1.jpg)
http://backontrack.org/images/tours/12feb16/b1.jpg

This is acceptable.

We call for the removal of all over wraps from all public transport vehicles, be they trains, trams, buses or ferries (2)

Public transport vehicles have windows for a reason - to allow people to see out of and to see into the vehicles.

Blocking these windows is treating the public with contempt in our opinion.

Best wishes
Robert

Robert Dow
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RAIL Back On Track http://backontrack.org

References:

1. http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/violent-threats-made-against-greens-mayoral-candidate-for-brisbane-20160214-gmtx2y.html


... "A lot of people, particularly at night, are having a hard time seeing their stop.

"There's enough things discouraging people from using public transport in regards to cost and frequency." ...

Quote attributed to Mr Pennings.

2.  24 Sep 2014: SEQ: Can we please see out of and into buses, trains and trams!
http://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=10971.0

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. @QueenslandRail We do not support blocking windows on public transport vehicles be they trains, buses or trams, with wraps! #qldpol

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Note:  Windows ad wrap free !

Good ad wrap means not obliterating the vision through windows hey?

Sent to all outlets:

8th November 2016

Can we please see out of and into buses, trains, trams and ferries?

Greetings,

We were delighted that the Greens Candidate for Brisbane Lord Mayor Ben Pennings raised the issue of all over wraps on public transport vehicles making it difficult for passengers to know their location, particularly at night or when wet (1).  There is also a potential security issue with all over wraps as it is not possible to see into the vehicle. A wrapped bus for example, would be a much more obvious target for evil doings than an unwrapped bus.

This is what confronts a passenger. Photograph from inside of a bus with all over advertising wrap.

(http://backontrack.org/images/memes/AOAWindowCovering.jpg)
http://backontrack.org/images/memes/AOAWindowCovering.jpg

On a visit to Brisbane CBD I noted an increased number of buses with limited advertising.

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http://backontrack.org/images/tours/12feb16/b1.jpg

This is acceptable.

We call for the removal of all over wraps from all public transport vehicles, be they trains, trams, buses or ferries (2)

Public transport vehicles have windows for a reason - to allow people to see out of and to see into the vehicles.

Blocking these windows is treating the public with contempt in our opinion.  Is ad wrap placed over windscreens?  No it is not as the driver has to see out of the vehicle, so why are passengers blocked from seeing out of vehicles too?

Public transport vehicles are constructed with windows for a reason, it is not for ad-wrap!

We call on the Minister for Transport to direct that ad-wrap be removed from at least 95% of windows on public transport vehicles.

Best wishes
Robert

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track http://backontrack.org

References:

1. http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/violent-threats-made-against-greens-mayoral-candidate-for-brisbane-20160214-gmtx2y.html


... "A lot of people, particularly at night, are having a hard time seeing their stop.

"There's enough things discouraging people from using public transport in regards to cost and frequency." ...

Quote attributed to Mr Pennings.

2.  24 Sep 2014: SEQ: Can we please see out of and into buses, trains and trams!
http://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=10971.0

Sent to all outlets 27th November 2016

The scourge of ad-wrap blocking windows on PT vehicles - REMOVE IT

Good Morning,

Interesting to note that an International Visitor to our region highlighted the scourge of ad wrap yesterday.

https://twitter.com/DarrenDavis10/status/802313026598621185

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyJjcfTUoAEe7Gw.jpg)

" The rather limited view from #GoldCoast light rail thanks to the hideous exterior advertising wraps. "

There are real problems with ad wrap on buses, trains, ferries and trams.  Public transport vehicles are built with windows for a reason, so passengers can see into and out of them.  They should not be blocked.  This is very disorientating for passengers, particularly at night or when wet, and also makes it very difficult if not impossible to see into the vehicle.  The  blocking of window vision could have serious safety and security implications as well.  We call on the Minister for Transport Mr Stirling Hinchliffe to direct that all wrap be removed from windows from public transport vehicles.  It is possible to have well placed ad wrap that leaves window vision intact.

Best wishes

Robert

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track http://backontrack.org

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Media release 24th September 2014 re-released 27th November 2016

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SEQ: Can we please see out of and into buses, trains, ferries and trams!

RAIL Back On Track (http://backontrack.org) a web based community support group for rail and public transport and an advocate for public transport passengers has said recent publicity concerning all over advertising wraps reducing passenger vision on trams, is also an issue on buses and trains in SEQ (1).

Robert Dow, Spokesman for RAIL Back On Track said:

"There has been an increasing use of all over advertising wraps on buses, trains for a number of years now.  The same has happened to the new trams on the Gold Coast. These advertising wraps usually cover windows and block clear vision."

"We have had feedback from the public and members that these wraps do make it difficult to see out of particularly at night and can make it difficult to know location, and also make it difficult to see into the vehicles at any time. In these troubled times this is not a good security outcome."

"The advertising revenue gained from these wraps could be maintained by more appropriate advertising placement. For example, on areas of the vehicles away from windows, internally and externally."

"We call for the removal of advertising wraps from window areas on all public transport vehicles, trains, buses, ferries and trams."

Reference:

1. http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/news/gold-coast/mayor-tom-tate-leads-push-to-get-ugly-advertising-wraps-taken-off-gold-coast-trams/story-fnj94idh-1227061919059

Contact:
Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track http://backontrack.org

Sent to all outlets:

28th November 2016

Public transport failure SEQ

Good Morning,

The Transport Authorities' lack of response to the scourge of ad-wrap is symptomatic of the wider issues.

It is as if they have contempt for public transport passengers.  Despite constant feedback that ad-wrap is very disorientating for many, and is in fact a genuine security risk they ignore our pleas to remove it. Public transport vehicles have windows for a reason - it is not for ad-wrap.

Public transport in SEQ is headlong into failure.  The problems with Queensland Rail were seen to be coming and we highlighted those concerns.

A list of a few more concerns with public transport in SEQ.

1. Organisational structure - a circus of mismanagement with TransLink, Brisbane City Council, Queensland Rail, and  the State Government sitting in silos of replication and inefficiency.  Politics dominates sound policy. No wonder little actually gets achieved.

2. Brisbane bus network - needs urgent reform.

3. Brisbane Metro - as proposed an absurdity.  The State Government has failed to challenge this with the end result that Brisbane ratepayers money is being wasted on a nonsense, and Prime Minister is attempting to link funding of Cross River Rail to the Brisbane ' Metro ' which has to be one of the most perverse outcomes for public transport in SEQ ever!

4. The simple things, like all door boarding on high frequency buses is too hard for Queensland.  Logical arrangement of CBD bus stops too hard!

5. Infrastructure stalemate.

6. Failure to convert Victoria Bridge into a bus and active transport bridge only.  Massive bus network failure looms.

7. Snail pace fare reform - is to eventually happen, hopefully in January 2017, but we cannot be to confident can we?

8. New Generation Rollingstock trains - clearly problems, trains have been in Queensland since February 2016, none have seen a passenger yet.

9. Failure to clarify fare policy on rail replacement buses - despite assurances that this would be done.

10.  Ongoing signalling issues with Petrie - Redcliffe Peninsula line.

Not a pretty list is it?  But that spells out the mess it actually is.  Want a cash bonus with that?

Best wishes
Robert

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track https://backontrack.org

[ Attached: https://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=10971.msg184102#msg184102 ]

Should, God forbid, there be a protracted terrorist incident on a bus with ad wrap (possibility very, very remote, I know), but what would the authorities do if they needed intel on what was occurring on the bus?
Maybe we should approach them for their opinion on this circumstance, perhaps they could access CCTV cameras on the buses.
But if they were to be disabled or painted out, it's back to the ad-wrap windows for visuals.


On second thought, if only passengers could access CCTV street cameras to read signage outside of the bus...

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Media release 19th December 2016

Australia: All we want for Christmas is clear windows

RAIL Back On Track (http://backontrack.org) a web based community support group for rail and public transport and an advocate for public transport passengers has said it is time to remove advertising wrap from the windows of all public transport vehicles.

Robert Dow, Spokesman for RAIL Back On Track said:

"There has been an increasing use of all over advertising wraps on buses, trains, trams and ferries for a number of years now. These advertising wraps usually cover windows and block clear vision."

"Public transport vehicles have windows for a reason. It is to allow passengers to see out of and into public transport vehicles. Is ad-wrap applied to obliterate windscreens?  No, of course not, so why do transport authorities treat passengers with contempt and block the windows? Why are public transport vehicles built with windows?"

"We have had feedback from the public and members that these wraps do make it difficult to see out of particularly at night and can make it difficult to know location, and also make it difficult to see into the vehicles at any time. In these troubled times this is also not a good security outcome."

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvtkhydUIAABRCL.jpg)
The view that confronts passengers

"The advertising revenue gained from these wraps could be maintained by more appropriate advertising placement. For example, on areas of the vehicles away from windows, internally and externally."

"We call for the immediate removal of advertising wraps from window areas on all public transport vehicles: trains, buses, ferries and trams."

Reference:

1. SEQ: Can we please see out of and into buses, trains and trams!
https://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=10971.0

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track https://backontrack.org

Tried to count how many people were on the 330 that was going through Chermside tonight so I could whinge about how buses aren't included in this holiday timetable. Didn't see anyone but the driver on it. Wanted to confirm but when it turned sideways I was greeted with a full body advertisement so I couldn't see in.

Sent to all outlets:

20th December 2016

Re: Australia: All we want for Christmas is clear windows !

Good Morning,

It really is time to remove this advertising wrap from windows of public transport vehicles.  Apart from the fact it is very disorientating to passengers and blocks visibility and location confirmation, it is a very major security risk.  It is not possible to see into the vehicles.  It will only take one security incident to be compromised by advertising wrap blocking vision to see it promptly removed.  How about the authorities being proactive and removing it now?  Before there is an incident.

Best wishes
Robert

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track https://backontrack.org

[ Attached:  https://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=10971.msg185349#msg185349 ]

Brisbanetimes --> Call for advertising wraps to be removed from buses (http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/major-security-risk-call-for-advertising-wraps-to-be-removed-from-buses-20161221-gtfvz3.html)

QuoteThe only unwrapping public transport pundit Robert Dow wants to see this Christmas is on Brisbane's buses.

Mr Dow, the public figurehead of public transport advocacy group Rail Back on Track, said advertising wraps on buses and CityCats blocked passengers' clear vision and constituted a "very major security risk".

"It is not possible to see into the vehicles," he said.

"It will only take one security incident to be compromised by advertising wrap blocking vision to see it promptly removed.

"How about the authorities being proactive and removing it now, before there is an incident?"

It was not the first complaint about the practice.

Resident Derek Tinkler blasted the wrappings during a public address in the Brisbane City Council chamber last year, in which he said looking out the covered windows was like "looking through netting all the time".

Mr Dow said Mr Tinkler's complaints were not uncommon.

"We have had feedback from the public and members that these wraps do make it difficult to see out of, particularly at night, and can make it difficult to know location, and also make it difficult to see into the vehicles at any time," he said.

"In these troubled times this is also not a good security outcome.

"The advertising revenue gained from these wraps could be maintained by more appropriate advertising placement. For example, on areas of the vehicles away from windows, internally and externally.

"We call for the immediate removal of advertising wraps from window areas on all public transport vehicles."

But the council's public transport chairman, deputy mayor Adrian Schrinner, said just 4 per cent of the city's fleet were fully wrapped.

Six of Brisbane's 21 CityCats were wrapped, along with 44 of the council's 1209 buses.

"The wraps are all made from perforated material to maintain visibility through the windows for passengers and meet Australian standards," Cr Schrinner said.

"In response to public feedback, the wrap material was upgraded late last year to a more transparent product that has more perforations and viewing holes per square metre.

"Also, the past six Team Brisbane CityCats since late last year have had only partial or no wrapping over their windows."

Those "Team Brisbane" CityCats included homages to the city's national sporting teams, along with other themes of civic pride.

Cr Schrinner said that in the 2015-16 financial year, the council received $7.29 million in advertising revenue from all sources, including public transport.

A breakdown of revenue for bus wrapping was not available, he said.

Cr Schrinner said the advertising revenue was used to make improvements to bus services.

Thanks Annie and ABC Radio for the opportunity to chat about wrap on windows of PT vehicles.

The problem of the wrap is exacerbated by the rain droplets on the outside of buses.

I honestly Don't see the problem. i think there are more important issues to be worrying about the stupid ad wrap

IDK about you but unless you can find another way to generate income ......

We have constant feedback about the problems for pax. Disorientating, particularly when wet and night.

PT vehicles are built with windows for a reason.  It is so people and can see in and out of them.  If that was not the case why build the vehicles with windows?  Just build window-less tin cans.

There are also rather significant potential security issues.  You cannot see into the vehicle.

Other jurisdictions that care for the passengers place adwrap on the PT vehicles without blocking the windows,
and so preserve the ' precious revenue' .

Ad wrap on windows is just another sign of the contempt the authorities actually have for passengers.

It is our position that ad wrap be removed from the windows of PT vehicles.

I noted when in Perth early this year that the PT vehicles there (trains and buses) do not have any adwrap blocking windows.  Rather civilised.

London

(http://www.arrivalondon.com/img/i563c96429b856415390997.jpg?1446821540)

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View from adwrapped carriage on SMU266 leaving Roma St few minutes ago

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Quote from: QLDBUS on March 20, 2017, 16:08:30 PM
I honestly Don't see the problem. i think there are more important issues to be worrying about the stupid ad wrap

IDK about you but unless you can find another way to generate income ......

Do you realise just how little it brings in?  50% generally goes to the operator anyway, so TransLink's cut is half of bugger all.

I've also seen just in the last few days a Sydney double deck bus with wrap advertising over the front upper window.  Spew.

Sent to all outlets:

24th March 2017

Advertising blocking public transport vehicle windows major security risk

Good Morning,

The past few days more social media chatter concerning advertising wrap (ad-wrap) placed over the windows of public transport vehicles.  This  ad-wrap makes it very difficult and often impossible to see into a public transport vehicle from the side.  It is also disorientating for passengers, particularly when wet and/or under reduced light conditions such as night or dull days. Also intending passengers cannot see into the vehicles to judge passenger loading.

Public transport vehicles: buses, trains, ferries and trams are built with windows for a reason.  It is not for covering up with advertising material.  Otherwise the public transport vehicles would be built as tin cans - no windows at all.

An on board security incident on bus or other vehicle could be seriously compromised as security forces cannot see into the vehicle.  It also is obvious to anyone planning such an incident that they would choose a vehicle with windows obliterated with advertising wrap to gain a tactical advantage.

Ad-wrap on windows of public transport vehicles must be removed, immediately.  It is clearly unsafe and treats passengers with contempt.

Here is a picture from London showing buses with appropriately applied ad-wrap, and Brisbane bus with windows blocked.

(http://www.arrivalondon.com/img/i563c96429b856415390997.jpg?1446821540)

http://www.arrivalondon.com/img/i563c96429b856415390997.jpg?1446821540

(http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/43c950a6daca0ce8efe5e494ee231553?interlace=false&api_key=qy2gvdw92m3b23ptgyv4995z)

http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/43c950a6daca0ce8efe5e494ee231553?interlace=false&api_key=qy2gvdw92m3b23ptgyv4995z

The non view from inside a train with ad-wrap over windows.

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1Qm3h6CIAA6mQ6.jpg

Advertising material can still be applied to public transport vehicles leaving windows clear.

It is interesting to note that in Perth (Transperth), an enlightened public transport jurisdiction, there is no ad-wrap blocking windows of trains or buses.

Best wishes
Robert

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track https://backontrack.org

^

Bob I really appreciate your push to get windows cleared. I find it quite stressful to not be able to work out where I am. Makes for a more unpleasant journey.

Quote from: newbris on March 25, 2017, 16:50:49 PM
Bob I really appreciate your push to get windows cleared. I find it quite stressful to not be able to work out where I am. Makes for a more unpleasant journey.

Thanks for the feedback.  :-t

I will battle on till the right thing is delivered.

Sent to all outlets;

12th May 2017

The scourge of ad-wrap blocking windows on PT vehicles - REMOVE IT

Good Morning,

Interesting to note that an International Transport planner visitor to our region highlighted the scourge of ad wrap in November 2016.

https://twitter.com/DarrenDavis10/status/802313026598621185

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyJjcfTUoAEe7Gw.jpg)

" The rather limited view from #GoldCoast light rail thanks to the hideous exterior advertising wraps. "

There are real problems with ad-wrap on buses, trains, ferries and trams blocking vision.  Public transport vehicles are built with windows for a reason, so passengers can see into and out of them. Public transport vehicles are not built window-less are they? The windows should not be blocked.  This is very disorientating for passengers, particularly at night and/or when wet, and also makes it very difficult if not impossible to see into the vehicle.  The  blocking of window vision could have very serious safety and security implications as well.

We call on the Minister for Transport Ms Trad to direct that all wrap be removed from windows of all public transport vehicles.  It is possible to have well placed ad wrap that leaves window vision intact. Other jurisdictions manage to do that.  Is this too hard for Queensland?

Ad-wrap blocking windows is measure of the ongoing contempt transport authorities have for passengers sadly.

Best wishes

Robert
Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track https://backontrack.org

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Media release 24th September 2014 re-released 27th November 2016 re-released 12th May 2017

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SEQ: Can we please see out of and into buses, trains, ferries and trams!

RAIL Back On Track (http://backontrack.org) a web based community support group for rail and public transport and an advocate for public transport passengers has said recent publicity concerning all over advertising wraps reducing passenger vision on trams, is also an issue on buses and trains in SEQ (1).

Robert Dow, Spokesman for RAIL Back On Track said:

"There has been an increasing use of all over advertising wraps on buses, trains for a number of years now.  The same has happened to the new trams on the Gold Coast. These advertising wraps usually cover windows and block clear vision."

"We have had feedback from the public and members that these wraps do make it difficult to see out of particularly at night and can make it difficult to know location, and also make it difficult to see into the vehicles at any time. In these troubled times this is not a good security outcome."

"The advertising revenue gained from these wraps could be maintained by more appropriate advertising placement. For example, on areas of the vehicles away from windows, internally and externally."

"We call for the removal of advertising wraps from window areas on all public transport vehicles, trains, buses and trams."

Reference:

1. http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/news/gold-coast/mayor-tom-tate-leads-push-to-get-ugly-advertising-wraps-taken-off-gold-coast-trams/story-fnj94idh-1227061919059

Contact:

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track http://backontrack.org

Sent to all outlets:

17th February 2016 resent 7th August 2017

Can we please see out of and into buses, trains, trams and ferries?

Greetings,

We are delighted that the Greens Candidate for Brisbane Lord Mayor Ben Pennings raised the issue of all over wraps on public transport vehicles making it difficult for passengers to know their location, particularly at night or when wet (1).  There is also a potential security issue with all over wraps as it is not possible to see into the vehicle. A wrapped bus for example, would be a much more obvious target for evil doings than an unwrapped bus.

This is what confronts a passenger. Photograph from inside of a bus with all over advertising wrap.

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http://backontrack.org/images/memes/AOAWindowCovering.jpg

On a recent visit to Brisbane CBD I noted an increased number of buses with limited advertising.

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http://backontrack.org/images/tours/12feb16/b1.jpg

This is acceptable.

We call for the removal of all over wraps from all public transport vehicles, be they trains, trams, buses or ferries (2)

Public transport vehicles have windows for a reason - to allow people to see out of and to see into the vehicles.

Blocking these windows is treating the public with contempt in our opinion.

Best wishes
Robert

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track http://backontrack.org

References:

1. http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/violent-threats-made-against-greens-mayoral-candidate-for-brisbane-20160214-gmtx2y.html


... "A lot of people, particularly at night, are having a hard time seeing their stop.

"There's enough things discouraging people from using public transport in regards to cost and frequency." ...

Quote attributed to Mr Pennings.

2.  24 Sep 2014: SEQ: Can we please see out of and into buses, trains and trams!
http://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=10971.0

https://twitter.com/Robert_Dow/status/894242304038289408

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10155031678257823&set=p.10155031678257823&type=3


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^ thanks TB.  I left a message ...   

We are just hitting our heads on brick walls in SEQ.  A very disinterested transport elite that has completely rooted most things sadly.

:frs: :frs: :frs: :frs:

https://twitter.com/FixNSWTransport/status/976257279321190400

https://twitter.com/Robert_Dow/status/976257637099556864

https://twitter.com/Robert_Dow/status/991501639675658240

BCC Petition

Removal of ads from BCC bus windows

>> http://www.epetitions.brisbane.qld.gov.au/petition/view/pid/542

Please sign !  :-t

https://twitter.com/Robert_Dow/status/992443569712652288

https://twitter.com/Robert_Dow/status/992505140740374528

^ going off at FaceBook

>> https://www.facebook.com/RAILBackOnTrack/posts/2038025642878279

:-c

https://twitter.com/Robert_Dow/status/992629070897659904

https://twitter.com/Robert_Dow/status/993169717308178433

Another example from Victoria:

https://twitter.com/tonybmorton/status/994702094174113792 (https://twitter.com/tonybmorton/status/994702094174113792)

https://twitter.com/Jeffrey_Addison/status/999760549683519488

^

https://twitter.com/Robert_Dow/status/999765066500136960

https://twitter.com/Robert_Dow/status/1021181598396395521

https://twitter.com/PandM4012/status/1023384859396399106

https://twitter.com/Robert_Dow/status/1023386270507003904

https://twitter.com/railmaps/status/1058622102247399424

Sent to all outlets:

4th November 2018

Call to remove ad-wrap from windows of public transport vehicles

Greetings,

There are significant problems with ad-wrap on buses, trains, ferries and trams blocking windows vision.  Public transport vehicles are built with windows for a reason, so passengers and others can see into and out of them. Public transport vehicles are not built window-less are they? The windows should not be blocked.  This is very disorientating for passengers, particularly at night and/or when wet, and also makes it very difficult if not impossible to see into the vehicle.  The  blocking of window vision could have very serious safety and security implications as well.

We have been calling for its removal for many years now.  The calls have largely fallen on deaf ears.  There is a growing national awareness of need to bring back clear windows on public transport vehicles.  Some recent reports on Twitter:

NSW: https://twitter.com/FixNSWTransport/status/976257279321190400

Sydney bus



Victoria: https://twitter.com/tonybmorton/status/994702094174113792

Melbourne tram



Queensland: https://twitter.com/Jeffrey_Addison/status/999760549683519488

Brisbane train


South Australia:



Adelaide tram


Australian Rail Maps on twitter made this comment yesterday:

" Advertising on windows of buses, trains and trams betrays a prejudice that those outside the vehicle are more important than those inside. It's insulting. And to make it worse, when you object, the response is so often "But they're transparent". No, they're not."



We agree strongly.  It is a sign of disrespect and contempt for public transport passengers to block their vision by covering up windows with ad-wrap.  Time to get rid of it.  Advertisements can still be placed on public transport vehicles preserving the revenue,  but leave the windows clear please!

Thank you!

Best wishes,

Robert

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track https://backontrack.org

https://twitter.com/railbotforum/status/1058748645074382848

https://twitter.com/railbotforum/status/1058840764203982849

Something else that is directly related to this ad-wrap issue.  A well respected source has told me
that mothers have complained that their autistic children freak out in public transport vehicles that
have the windows blocked with ad-wrap. So there are health impacts  to consider as well. 
I am confident there would be other individuals with PTSD etc. that would also have difficulties.

But seriously, why do they turn public transport vehicles into tin cans?  They are built with windows for a reason.

Time it was removed!

https://twitter.com/railbotforum/status/1058912246313639936

https://twitter.com/FixNSWTransport/status/1062242672079888384

http://www.epetitions.brisbane.qld.gov.au/petition/view/pid/542

Removal of ads from BCC bus windows

Residents draw to the attention of the Lord Mayor, problems with visibility and safety caused by advertising covering bus windows.

Your petitioners therefore request that BCC discontinues the practice of covering bus windows with advertising wraps.

Council response

In the current financial year, Council expects to provide a Public Transport Operating Subsidy of $126.5 million, which supports the operation of quality bus and ferry services across the city and suburbs. Revenue from advertising on buses assists Council in providing this high level of funding support for public transport. Without advertising revenue, Council would need to consider reducing public transport service levels or increasing general rates to fill any funding gap.

It is important to note, however, that Council already takes steps to ensure that external advertising on buses does not unreasonably impact on passengers. Council currently has more than 1,200 buses in its bus fleet, however, relatively few buses have advertising that fully covers windows.

The most common form of external commercial advertising used is a Portrait Side display, which is a 1.4 metre wide advertisement positioned on the side of a 12.5 metre-long bus. Council also makes use of the rear of its bus fleet, which is generally window-free, for advertising purposes.

The number of fully-wrapped buses represents only five percent of the entire fleet. The majority of these wraps are used for Council and community purposes, including to identify the iconic Blue and Maroon CityGlider services, the Spring Hill Free Loop, commemorating the Centenary of Anzac Day and to promote the 2019 INAS Global Games.

The wrap used on Blue CityGlider buses has recently been updated and refreshed to allow improved passenger visibility, with significantly less window coverage. Council is currently reviewing the wrap being used on the Maroon CityGlider buses and will initiate a similar update program commencing in 2019.

Council acknowledges that some passengers may have concerns about visibility from bus windows. At present, the material being used for bus advertising is perforated, with hundreds of pin holes allowing passengers to be able to see through the artwork. The product being used is the only commercially available product which meets the Australian Design Standards. The product is used by a number of different transport agencies throughout Australia and around the world.

Therefore, Council does not support the removal of advertising from Council bus windows at this time.

Garbage response.  If the majority of fully wrapped vehicles are vanity projects only, then the imposition on the public is not bringing in any money to justify it (which itself is a paper thin excuse - note they don't say how much the advertising actually brings in, and what proportion is attributable to wraps).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64dz2MnOdIE

I would like to point out that there were almost buses with ads covering the windows at all. The only ads are down the sides of the bus, below the windows and on the backs. Can't see why this is too much of a stretch for BCC.

Changes to all over wrap for the Glider service.

https://www.facebook.com/35421541164/posts/10157110287206165/


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This is news, how??

What's more newsworthy out of the above is that the Cityglider fleet is itself being renewed with the newest deliveries to replace the more clapped out articles current assigned to the route.

Quote from: SurfRail on January 12, 2019, 19:57:09 PM
What's more newsworthy out of the above is that the Cityglider fleet is itself being renewed with the newest deliveries to replace the more clapped out articles current assigned to the route.

Which in turn those clapped out vehicles currently on the Cityglider route are replacing their older gas powered brothers earmarked for transfer over to GC to replace the even older gas Scanias fleet currently in the process of being phased out/withdrawn from service.

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12th January 2019

Updated wrap for the Blue CityGlider

Greetings,

Deputy Mayor Adrian Schrinner has announced a new updated wrap for the Blue CityGlider.

https://twitter.com/Schrinner/status/1083608319997005825

We are particularly pleased that Cr Schrinner and Transport for Brisbane have taken note of feedback concerning the loss of window visibility with all over ad-wraps over windows of public transport vehicles.  The new wrap does provide much better visibility into and out of the buses, for us an important point.  Thanks.

Best wishes,

Robert

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track https://backontrack.org

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13th January 2019

Can we please see out of and into buses, trains, ferries and trams!

Good Morning,

While acknowledging the sensible improvement in the visibility of the new wrap for the Blue CityGlider there continues to be a problem with windows of public transport vehicles generally, be they buses, trains, ferries or trams being blocked by advertising material. Authorities say the wrap complies with this standard and so forth, but fact is even the compliant wraps block vision into and out of the public transport vehicles, and it becomes even more obstructed in inclement weather and in poor light conditions. This can be very disorientating for passengers and we believe is a safety risk.  Public transport vehicles are constructed with windows for a reason - specifically to allow people to see into and out of the vehicles.  They are not constructed as window-less submarine like vehicles, so why make them like that by obliterating visibility through windows?

There is no reason why windows of trains should be blocked at all.  There is plenty of non window area for advertising wraps and the like.
Buses should have at least 80% of the windows clear in our view, similarly trams and ferries.

It is time the transport authorities followed the lead of Transport for Brisbane and started treating their passengers with courtesy.

Please clean up the windows on ALL public transport vehicles.  We have no objection to advertising material on the body of vehicles away from windows.

Thank you.

Best wishes
Robert

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track https://backontrack.org

Reference:

Media release 24th September 2014 SEQ: Can we please see out of and into buses, trains, ferries and trams!
https://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=10971.0

Quote from: ozbob on January 13, 2019, 01:48:56 AM
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12th January 2019

Updated wrap for the Blue CityGlider

Greetings,

Deputy Mayor Adrian Schrinner has announced a new updated wrap for the Blue CityGlider.

https://twitter.com/Schrinner/status/1083608319997005825

We are particularly pleased that Cr Schrinner and Transport for Brisbane have taken note of feedback concerning the loss of window visibility with all over ad-wraps over windows of public transport vehicles.  The new wrap does provide much better visibility into and out of the buses, for us an important point.  Thanks.

Best wishes,

Robert

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track https://backontrack.org

https://twitter.com/railbotforum/status/1084252506471813121

Facebook, very strong response in a short time ..

^

Lot of interest in ad-wrap blocking windows!   :o

1,026 People reached, 512 Engagements

>> https://www.facebook.com/RAILBackOnTrack/posts/2414884818525691

 :P

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrHxhQPOO2c

https://twitter.com/ozbob13/status/1086312421873004544

https://twitter.com/ozbob13/status/1092972706872479744

https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/wellington/116256432/ads-coming-back-to-wellington-bus-windows-as-revenue-opportunity-trial-given-green-light

They don't operate under the same revenue constraints we do but even still they have been paying proper attention to passenger feedback on this issue.

https://twitter.com/ozbob13/status/1194457231636385793

https://twitter.com/railmaps/status/1203594607491076097

https://twitter.com/ozbob13/status/1203691582571991041

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Well done Cr Murphy and BCC for removing wrap from CityCat windows

3rd August 2020

Good Morning,

Congratulations to Cr Murphy (Brisbane City Council public and active transport chair) and BCC for the decision to remove wraps from the windows of CityCats as reported today by Brisbanetimes.

'Council panned for 'senseless' decision to scrap colourful CityCat wraps'
https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/council-panned-for-senseless-decision-to-scrap-colourful-citycat-wraps-20200802-p55htd.html

RAIL Back On Track has long campaigned to have advertising wrap and other wraps removed from the windows of public transport vehicles.

24th September 2014 Can we please see out of and into buses, trains, ferries and trams!
https://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=10971.0

Advertising and other wraps can be placed on body work keeping windows clean. There are significant problems with ad-wrap on buses, trains, ferries and trams blocking windows and clear vision.  Public transport vehicles are built with windows for a reason, so passengers and others can see into and out of them. Public transport vehicles are not built window-less are they? The windows should not be blocked.  This is very disorientating for passengers, particularly at night and/or when wet, and also makes it very difficult if not impossible to see into the vehicle.  The  blocking of window vision could have very serious safety and security implications as well.

We have been calling for its removal for many years now.  The calls have largely fallen on deaf ears.  There is a growing national awareness of the need to bring back clear windows on public transport vehicles. Lets not stop at CityCats, please make the windows clean on ALL public transport vehicles.

Thank you.

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track https://backontrack.org

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