Captain Cook Bridge or Victoria Bridge for 130/140/150 etc

[#Metro]

Which way!?

This is a crucial question in the design of the CFN.

[somebody]

I don't think it makes much difference actually, so long as the 130 and 140 are the same.  And I don't support adding Queens Wharf Rd routes without a very good reason.

I'm inclined to keep the 130 and 140 as is but perhaps change the 150.

[HappyTrainGuy]

I'd say keep it via the busway so those from the north/west/railway can easily interchange between the two. It might be along the busway where theres supposed to be epic frequency but its still not that frequent 24/7 for those to quickly interchange between a number of routes. All buz services should be via the busway. Reroute those that aren't such as rockets and normal routes across the Captain Cook.

[SurfRail]

Captain Cook.  Most people are overwhelmingly going to the city.  You can change buses for the South Bank region, the same way you have to change buses to get to the Gabba now.

Stops are going to be added at Parliament, plus the busway is already congested.  Maybe use George St inbound and North Quay/William St outbound, and enter the busway at Roma St portal to terminate at Roma Street.  Ideally with bus lanes involved.  With this alignment, I'd say there is a compelling argument that South Bank is adequately served anyway by what is a fairly short walk over one of the bridges.  The only one a little out of reach is Mater Hill.

There is no decent way to alleviate the issues at Buranda, but you can at least restrict the South Bank stretch to the busway spine services.

I would go further than the 130, 140 and 150.  Going on current routings, I would include basically any southern express or long-distance service that enters the busway south of Buranda, so:
- 135
- maintain routing of 155
- 170
- 250
- 555

There are probably others.

[somebody]

Did you mean south of Juliette St?

Buranda congestion is an issue, but it's not out of control.  Just adjust some of the private operator routes which are the laggards, on the above criteria.

[SurfRail]

Did you mean south of Juliette St?

Buranda congestion is an issue, but it's not out of control.  Just adjust some of the private operator routes which are the laggards, on the above criteria.

To clarify, I would suggest the 120 and 180 would stay via South Bank.  Not sure about the Gabba, but you would have to maintain a connection to the Mater and a number of the existing services could vanish (eg 200 after being merged with 222) or be redirected (eg 220 via Story Bridge).

Maybe the privates could bypass Buranda, so long as the ones coming up the busway stop at Griffith and the ones from Old Cleveland Rd stop at Stones Corner.  A lot of BT rockets could stand to be axed altogether of course.

[#Metro]

Captain Cook.  Most people are overwhelmingly going to the city.  You can change buses for the South Bank region, the same way you have to change buses to get to the Gabba now.

This is a very good point.

Stops are going to be added at Parliament, plus the busway is already congested.

And another very good point.

[#Metro]

555

I would support the amalgamation of 555 with 160 and P88 (wow, three birds in one stone!) to form a super high frequency spine service (one bus every 5 minutes). Alternatively the P88 can be split with the SE section being amalgamated into the 111 as more standard 111 BUZ services, with the amalgamated (160 + 555) doing the Captain Cook Bridge run, every 7.5 minutes off peak. That's heaps of frequency.
The Western part of the P88 can then form the nucleus of a new BUZ 400 or 440 in the Centenary Suburbs.

[Gazza]

I don't think it makes much difference actually, so long as the 130 and 140 are the same.  And I don't support adding Queens Wharf Rd routes without a very good reason.

With Queens Wharf road, was it just one bad experience along there, or is it always 'bad'?

[somebody]

I don't think it makes much difference actually, so long as the 130 and 140 are the same.  And I don't support adding Queens Wharf Rd routes without a very good reason.

With Queens Wharf road, was it just one bad experience along there, or is it always 'bad'?

It's always rather sluggish.  Look at the timetable for the 88 vs 111.  It's almost the same speed via South Bank as via CCB heading north, but faster southbound.

[#Metro]

Yes, I have notices that the 111 catches up with the P88 around Buranda... however, there is also the Cultural Centre Congestion issue.
Cultural Centre is at MAX capacity with 180 buses per hour, taking a few out would free a few slots and actually speed up buses at CC perhaps?

[somebody]

Other problem with Queens Wharf Rd is that it is not a worthy location for a bus stop.

[Gazza]

I don't think anything is intrinsically 'wrong' with Queens Wharf Road...Just take out the parking and put in a bus lane, as well as traffic light priority.

Just seems bizzare that this road is different in its molecular makeup or whatever to any other road in the CBD that its performing worse (supposedly)

[Golliwog]

I don't think anything is intrinsically 'wrong' with Queens Wharf Road...Just take out the parking and put in a bus lane, as well as traffic light priority.

Just seems bizzare that this road is different in its molecular makeup or whatever to any other road in the CBD that its performing worse (supposedly)

Pretty sure the traffic lights at the Victoria bridge end of Queens Wharf Rd are for buses only anyway. It's hard to do bus priority for it though as you've already got the busway trying to get priority as well. That said, I'm sure they could do something to get a few more buses through, but you may just end up making the congestion from around CC shift to being more around the QSBS portal.

EDIT: Instead of Queens Wharf and into QSBS, what if you ran inbound via CCB-->Margaret St-->Albert St-->Elizabeth St and outbound via Charlotte St-->Albert St-->Alice St-->CCB? It allows stops for each direction to be at most 1 block away from each other, and while I know this won't share stops with the 111 or other SE Busway routes, I don't think that's such a big deal as these should be for those off the busway rather than those on it. It also frees up a spot in QSBS for the 555 (or other routes) which would allow it to leave the CBD quicker (though those that use it, feel free to tell me if that's important or not).

[#Metro]

We don't have  a very clear answer here, so what are the benefits and disadvantages of each option?

[somebody]

I don't think anything is intrinsically 'wrong' with Queens Wharf Road

Right...

You're so funny.

Ever used it?  Looked at the urban form in the vicinity?  Looked at the timetable?

Adding another phase to the traffic light cycle at the QSBS exit is a real limitation with using this path.