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Link: http://www.thredbo.itls.usyd.edu.au/downloads/thredbo10_papers/thredbo10-themeA-Byatt-Oscuro-Rookes.pdfIt's interesting that the Sydney's 333 carries more people than Brisbane's 199 does. The question I ask is why? After 6:56pm and before 8:20am on a weekday it only has a 20 minute frequency outbound, although it has a 10 minute frequency through the day, with a 15 minute daytime frequency on a Sunday. So the frequency overall is worse than the 199. Perhaps just the sheer patronage on the corridor helps, but I wonder if the pre pay is also a factor? Perhaps Brisbane's 333 and 66 should also go pre pay. Those that don't want to pre-pay can use the 370 or 330/340. |
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« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2010, 04:56:01 PM » |
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The Bondi 333 prepay is mostly run with articulated buses carrying bigger loads .. I travel on the 333 to Bondi everytime I stay in Sydney... I stay in the City and like to go to Hogs Breath at Bondi to eat !!!
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« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2010, 05:32:54 PM » |
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According to the link, it's exclusively bendy. With average loads >50pax, this run would have to be making revenue something like double its costs.
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« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2010, 05:55:53 PM » |
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Some good stuff comes out of the thedbo series. Any TransLink submissions? Better this than writing lots of departmental media releases... Good research is important, as is sharing it widely. A rising tide floats all ships...  everyone benefits. |
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« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2010, 05:58:58 PM » |
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Is it possible that the Sydney 333 caries more passengers than the Brisbane 199 because it has a longer route? A longer route traveling through more densely populated areas means more potential passengers.
Also the 333 has a major draw card at each end - Bondi Beach and the CBD. The major patronage for the 199 is West End and New Farm residents traveling into the CBD and home again. West End and New Farm are certainly destinations in their own right, but not to the same extent as Bondi.
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« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2010, 06:46:55 PM » |
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Also the 333 has a major draw card at each end - Bondi Beach and the CBD. The other generator for PT demand on the 333 is Bondi Junction. Here is a bus station/shopping centre/shopping precint and the terminus for the Bondi train directly underneath. |
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« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2010, 06:54:32 PM » |
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I think this highlights an elephant in the room... Why is their no train to Bondi Beach? Why not a train/metro from West End-CBD-Valley, New Farm- Tennerife Ferry-Bulimba? There was so much demand, that even someone else offered to pay for an underground rail line. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Suburbs_railway_line,_Sydney#A_Bondi_Beach_Railway |
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« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2010, 08:12:50 PM » |
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Same reason why there is no train service to manly beach. NIMBYS people dont want all the western suburbs people in their area |
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« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2010, 08:37:11 PM » |
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Same reason why there is no train service to manly beach. NIMBYS people dont want all the western suburbs people in their area
That's not quite the reason for Manly. It just wouldn't make sense to have a train to Manly. Is it going to tunnel under the Manly ferry route? If it went further north, it would be better to bypass Manly which is already served by the ferrys and buses. I don't know if keeping the westies out makes much sense for the NIMBYs. Causes much more problems for them than others. |
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« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2010, 10:59:15 PM » |
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Hmm...Only bus route which directly connects the CBD to the most famous beach in the most populous city in the country. I also think its safe to say the population density along Oxford St and Bondi Rd are significantly greater than those in West End and New Farm.
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« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2010, 07:01:22 AM » |
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Hmm...Only bus route which directly connects the CBD to the most famous beach in the most populous city in the country. I also think its safe to say the population density along Oxford St and Bondi Rd are significantly greater than those in West End and New Farm.
Actually the 380 does precisely that, and extends further, isn't pre-paid and is all stops. Could be more frequent too. Most people use the train and change at Bondi Junction, which also adds the 381, 382 & X84. |
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« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2010, 08:32:16 AM » |
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Maybe he meant "only a bus route"
There should be a train. No wonder the buses are overflowing.
This isn't a success. It is a failure to put a train in...
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« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2010, 08:58:34 AM » |
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Maybe he meant "only a bus route"
There should be a train. No wonder the buses are overflowing.
This isn't a success. It is a failure to put a train in...
I actually think such a train line should rather turn south and head to Maroubra via either Coogee or (probably better) Randwick. If the people don't want it, why give it to them? And doing it this way would increase patronage on the line quite a bit, when it has spare seats. Extending in to Bondi Beach wouldn't make much difference to patronage. Main problem is that Maroubra isn't the safest beach, and making it easier to get there mightn't be the best idea. |
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« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2010, 12:27:48 PM » |
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Hmm...Only bus route which directly connects the CBD to the most famous beach in the most populous city in the country. I also think its safe to say the population density along Oxford St and Bondi Rd are significantly greater than those in West End and New Farm.
Actually the 380 does precisely that, and extends further, isn't pre-paid and is all stops. Could be more frequent too. Most people use the train and change at Bondi Junction, which also adds the 381, 382 & X84. I think that just further highlights the fact that corridor is simply much more populated. |
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