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Melbourne visit January 2010
« on: January 05, 2010, 04:13:35 PM »
At Southern Cross Station (I still think of it as Spencer Street ... )
Caught the Pakenham service to Murrumbeena.






N class at Southern Cross



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Re: Melbourne visit January 2010
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2010, 04:26:12 PM »
That looks like a Siemens and Comeng.  Interesting to see the Metro logo on them, last time I was there it was all Connex.

One big question - How's Myki?

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Re: Melbourne visit January 2010
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2010, 04:37:26 PM »
Whens roma street going to look like that?
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Re: Melbourne visit January 2010
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2010, 06:20:39 PM »
Haven't had a chance to use myki yet.  Myki card has not arrived, so I might have to go to Geelong on Thursday to get one if it don't come tomorrow.  Myki readers are active on the stations.
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Re: Melbourne visit January 2010
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2010, 08:08:19 PM »
Whens roma street going to look like that?

Long after your dead in your cold, cold grave   :P

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Re: Melbourne visit January 2010
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2010, 08:46:26 PM »
Haven't had a chance to use myki yet.  Myki card has not arrived, so I might have to go to Geelong on Thursday to get one if it don't come tomorrow.  Myki readers are active on the stations.
Ordered mine last week on 30 Dec it arrived today! While I was opening the letter up from Myki with the card I received a  call on my mobile by coincidence from the Myki call centre saying that I received the incorrect letter with the card as I originally ordered a registered Myki but the letter stated it was an unregistered Myki. But the call centre confirmed with the call that it was a registered Myki. Havent tried it out yet but will by this coming Thu.


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Re: Melbourne visit January 2010
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2010, 08:54:19 PM »
Whens roma street going to look like that?

Long after your dead in your cold, cold grave   :P
Oh the station looks like a real city station (very impressive and Grand) but unfortunately with the closed in roof which was a good idea at the time, traps all the diesel fumes in from the diesel locomotives (VLine ex Geloong etc...) so very stinky during peak times. Hurry up Electrification!!!!! Especially the lines to and from Geelong, Ballarat and Bendigo.

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Re: Melbourne visit January 2010
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2010, 08:02:20 AM »
Presently on VLocity  1228 on the way to Gippsland






Shortly after arrival at Drouin



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Re: Melbourne visit January 2010
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2010, 08:13:03 AM »
Some myki equipment







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Re: Melbourne visit January 2010
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2010, 08:55:45 AM »
Their standalone card reader setup is awesome  :-t

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Re: Melbourne visit January 2010
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2010, 02:58:43 PM »
Got a myki card, brought it at Warrigul this morning.  Full test tomorrow!

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Re: Melbourne visit January 2010
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2010, 05:54:35 PM »
Got a myki card, brought it at Warrigul this morning.  Full test tomorrow!

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Got myki yesterday tested it out today on the train from South Yarra (Fare gate had to take card out of wallet) via Flinders Street to Coburg then back to Prahran (Stand Alone readers still had to take card out of wallet) via Flinders street all good and cheap then the Met tickets :)

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Re: Melbourne visit January 2010
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2010, 06:07:07 PM »
Sounds great Verbatim9.

I also received my free myki in the mail today.  I have started using it.  No worries at all so far.

Some initial impressions of the myki

1.  Screens on the card readers are much easier to read than  go card readers.  Basic reason is larger screen area and fonts, as well as good colour selection.


Myki card reader, very clear.

2.  I did a cash top up at Caulfield on a topup machine. No problems, intuitive.  Very easy to do and follow, and clear instructions.

3.  Very impressed with the placement and number of card readers on the railway stations.  For example Carnegie, which is similar to Oxley has 4 (four) readers main exit from platform 2 (this is the platform outbound), contrast that to Oxley main exit (stairs) platforms 1/2 outbound has one reader.  


Carnegie platform 2 note 4 card readers adjacent to exit

4.  I discovered today you can set your myki with a myki pass (equivalent to a weekly, monthly) and myki money (similar to the go card, pay for every journey) concurrently.  This fare setup on the myki is close to what I would consider worlds best practice.  All types of users are well catered for, and it ENCOURAGES public transport use.

Looking forward to further testing  on the suburban rail network tomorrow.

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Re: Melbourne visit January 2010
« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2010, 06:58:52 PM »
Went bush for a quick trip today, exploring parts of the Nojee VR branch line than branched off at Warrigul and headed for hills.  About 30 km, was closed in 1941, the fires in 1939 burnt a number of key rail trestles towards Nojee and this was the end.

Some parts of the line can still be found.  Some photographs around Crossover.








Old road bridge that crossed the line



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Re: Melbourne visit January 2010
« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2010, 08:26:28 AM »
Out and about on myki.  Presently at Sandringham

Myki has dedicated readers for checking status and history of myki cards.

Reader for checking cards and screen





Touch on, very clear and easy to read



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Re: Melbourne visit January 2010
« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2010, 08:33:40 AM »
Sandringham train at South Yarra



One of the trains with new Metro livery with the old



Chadstone bus at Sandringham station



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Re: Melbourne visit January 2010
« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2010, 12:15:55 PM »
No worries with the myki card today.  All has worked as it should, the only hiccup is that the web portal is down and I cannot check my transactions on line.  But using the station card readers all fine. The simple station card readers for checking history and touch status are great.  Just what we need for the go card system in Brisbane.

Overall it promises to be a great system.  Still a way to go for buses and trams, but rail is fine.  Touch speeds are good.  I checked out the gates at Flinders Street, they are a lot faster than the go gates.

Melburians will flock to it, basically because it works and has a great fare structure.  Give the go card a decent fare structure and most of the go grief will disappear ....

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Late ed:  Very last trip of the day and I was not able to touch off at Carnegie.   Red bullet and 'Card declined' message.  Contacted the myki help line, they couldn't explain it.  Card has credit, and travel transactions in order to that point. They will investigate ....  might be a bug or two yet  :-)
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Re: Melbourne visit January 2010
« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2010, 05:45:19 PM »
Some trams, first photograph Chapel St Windsor



Dandenong Road Windsor, this tram right of way runs over where our childhood house was in Albert St



Opposite Flinders Street Station







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Re: Melbourne visit January 2010
« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2010, 06:11:01 PM »
Some trams, first photograph Chapel St Windsor



Dandenong Road Windsor, this tram right of way runs over where our childhood house was in Albert St



Opposite Flinders Street Station







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The new French bumble bee trams are good on route 96 from East Brunswick to St Kilda Acland Street

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Re: Melbourne visit January 2010
« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2010, 08:03:16 PM »
The french trams are fantastic, I think they are on loan though. They get quite full.
When can we get that for Brisbane?

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I discovered today you can set your myki with a myki pass (equivalent to a weekly, monthly) and myki money (similar to the go card, pay for every journey) concurrently.  This fare setup on the myki is close to what I would consider worlds best practice.  All types of users are well catered for, and it ENCOURAGES public transport use.

Ironic. Melbourne does not have a co-ordinating authority equivalent to Translink, but they managed to get Myki to work.
We do and look at the un-coordinated mess GoCard has become.
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Re: Melbourne visit January 2010
« Reply #20 on: January 08, 2010, 08:15:41 AM »
Ironic. Melbourne does not have a co-ordinating authority equivalent to Translink, but they managed to get Myki to work.

Yes they do...It's called http://www.metlinkmelbourne.com.au

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Re: Melbourne visit January 2010
« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2010, 09:53:18 AM »
On the way back to Brisbane.

A few final photographs at Southern Cross station earlier today.

No problems using the myki from Murrumbeena to Southern Cross this morning, touched off at the gates as well.  Only minor issue was the large gate was not myki enabled so had to squeeze through the normal thin gate with bags.












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Re: Melbourne visit January 2010
« Reply #22 on: January 08, 2010, 11:01:17 AM »
On the way back to Brisbane.

A few final photographs at Southern Cross station earlier today.

No problems using the myki from Murrumbeena to Southern Cross this morning, touched off at the gates as well.  Only minor issue was the large gate was not myki enabled so had to squeeze through the normal thin gate with bags.












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Next time you are in Melbourne you will be able to use the Myki on Skybus too from the Airport to Southern Cross. Good luck in convincing the current QLD Government to bring in  Daily, Weekly, and Monthly capping on the Go Card.

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Re: Melbourne visit January 2010
« Reply #23 on: January 08, 2010, 12:05:05 PM »
That is good news that myki will be on the skybus.  Save doing the internet thing.

Yes, real shame we are in a fare backwater with the go card, but we will keep on trying.

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« Reply #24 on: January 08, 2010, 12:07:35 PM »
Out and about on myki.  Presently at Sandringham

Myki has dedicated readers for checking status and history of myki cards.

Reader for checking cards and screen





Touch on, very clear and easy to read



Photographs R Dow 7th January 2010

If designed correctlty using international standards the gate and tag equipment should be interchangeable and upgradable irrespective of the fare management technology behind it. It should be similar to hand held technologies which allow for a variety of suppliers, types, etc..

It should not be proprietry or a fatal design error has been made.

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Re: Melbourne visit January 2010
« Reply #25 on: January 08, 2010, 12:20:26 PM »
Out and about on myki.  Presently at Sandringham

Myki has dedicated readers for checking status and history of myki cards.

Reader for checking cards and screen





Touch on, very clear and easy to read



Photographs R Dow 7th January 2010

If designed correctlty using international standards the gate and tag equipment should be interchangeable and upgradable irrespective of the fare management technology behind it. It should be similar to hand held technologies which allow for a variety of suppliers, types, etc..

It should not be proprietry or a fatal design error has been made.

True it should not be hard to upgrade. Translink should look at replacing our readers with the Myki ones and in the future upgrading the gates to ones from melbourne aswell
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Re: Melbourne visit January 2010
« Reply #26 on: January 08, 2010, 12:27:44 PM »
I am not aware of international standards for the user interfaces although it would make sense.  The readability and useability of the myki equipment for rail is vastly superior to the go card equipment.  One of the advantages of using the gear in Melbourne these past days, a trial of sorts.  

The screens on the readers are huge relative to the tiny things we use with go on rail.  I saw a few with some vandalism on the screens but still functional.

In addition to the myki card readers you can also check your card on the topup machines as well.  

This is a photo showing travel history of myki on a top up machine.



Photograph R Dow 7th January 2010

But the thing that will drive the myki is the fare structure ...  has it all!

--> http://www.myki.com.au/Fares/default.aspx

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« Reply #27 on: January 08, 2010, 02:02:06 PM »
The standards are the communication protocals so that any gate and tag site (thus better than we have with Go) can be plugged in and they communiate with the database.  The screen layouts and services available on them is a different issue as this is where the different companies will differentiate themselves.

Go myki Go myki as it can only help us out longer term.  Good Luck to Sydney as well!!!

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Re: Melbourne visit January 2010
« Reply #28 on: January 08, 2010, 04:50:45 PM »
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Yes they do...It's called http://www.metlinkmelbourne.com.au

Hmm.... Metlink is... a private marketing company? So who handles the planning & co-ordination... DOI?
I don't think they handled Myki (correct me if I'm wrong)

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« Reply #29 on: January 08, 2010, 06:29:39 PM »
Just looking at their website it does appear DoI looks after co-ordination and planning.

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« Reply #30 on: January 09, 2010, 10:49:32 AM »
Metlink Melbourne is the brand name that the public see.  Department of Infrastructure are the actual planners of the network.  Here in Qld, technically, TransLink is the brand name and TransLink Transit Authority is the planners of the system.

Just a question, if the system worked well for you down there, why has there been such negative media on the Myki with many (if not all) media outlets reporting that Myki is having some major technical issues?

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« Reply #31 on: January 09, 2010, 11:33:32 AM »
Good question, I think they are just highlighting the problems which there are a few.  Having had the go card experience I was already well 'train=ed'  LOL.   It just comes naturally to an experienced go card user  (coping with our system toughens up an individual  ;) ) ...  

Seriously the system design is much better, they still have some software/web site issues, and the roll out was pushed last minute to satisfy political imperatives.  I have little doubt that in the longer term it will be a huge success.  I spoke to some 'myki mates' handing out promotional material at Southern Cross on two different days, the response from the public has been positive, and I witnessed a number of interactions with the punters and myki mates that confirmed that general view.

Melbourne's public transport is very good.  I didn't worry about timetables, no need, train frequency is such you just go.

Also the Melbourne press and media are very anti-government at the moment, so not much overall balance.

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« Reply #32 on: January 09, 2010, 02:25:59 PM »
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That is good news that myki will be on the skybus.  Save doing the internet thing.
Will there be an AirCon ripoff fare discrepancy for skybus?

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« Reply #33 on: January 09, 2010, 02:35:03 PM »
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That is good news that myki will be on the skybus.  Save doing the internet thing.
Will there be an AirCon ripoff fare discrepancy for skybus?

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Melbourne's public transport is very good.  I didn't worry about timetables, no need, train frequency is such you just go.

Sigh. Imagine that in Brisbane.

Not for the Skybus as you will touch off when you get off at Southern Cross.  The reason Airtrain gets away with it is that you don't touch off until at the end of the rail journey which includes the Airtrain trip plus other.  As we have shown if you break at CBD by touching off, then touching back on and continuing you avoid the excess fares.  I think it would be fun to hold a media event at Central with half a dozen or so go carders with big suitcases doing 180o turns at the main gates touching off then touching back to continue (preferably in the middle of the morning peak go card waves),  to drive home the absurdity of the whole setup.

Yes, the frequency is very good during the week.  Some need for ramping up on weekend particularly Sundays but I understand Metro Trains will be doing that.
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Re: Melbourne visit January 2010
« Reply #34 on: January 09, 2010, 07:12:22 PM »
North Melbourne railway station.  The first passenger service began departing from North Melbourne on 6 December 1859.  The recent 150th Birthday celebrations coincided with a $38.6 million redevelopment.  The northern end (the heritage end) is now closed off for outside access although it is still possible to move from platform to platform via that end.









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Re: Melbourne visit January 2010
« Reply #35 on: January 09, 2010, 07:17:34 PM »
Flinders Street Station Clocks  A famous meeting place, 'I will meet you underneath the clocks ...'



Photograph R Dow 7th January 2010

Once the busiest railway station in the southern hemisphere.  Going to Flinders Street station as a young boy was always an adventure!  Exciting, with a wide variety of trains and always steam passing through.
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Re: Melbourne visit January 2010
« Reply #36 on: January 11, 2010, 10:58:24 AM »
Myki representative just called me.  Card is fine, the minor problem with website and the touch failure at Carnegie has been resolved.

So next time in Melbourne all set.   Yo! 

(Maybe we might have periodical options on the GO by then ...  always optimistic   :P )
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« Reply #37 on: January 11, 2010, 11:41:39 AM »
North Melbourne railway station.  The first passenger service began departing from North Melbourne on 6 December 1859.  The recent 150th Birthday celebrations coincided with a $38.6 million redevelopment.  The northern end (the heritage end) is now closed off for outside access although it is still possible to move from platform to platform via that end.









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This is what southbank should look like.
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« Reply #38 on: January 14, 2010, 08:14:00 PM »
I was in Victoria and Melbourne during December, but the Myki was not quite released at that stage, so I had to stick with the metcard tickets, which I have found quite satisfactory in the past. However I was keen to do a comparison with our own Go Card, but this was not to be. I keep a bit of an eye on a range of Vic Transport Forums, and have not read too much favourable on the Myki System. Much of the opinion however is generated more from people on the job than actual end users. So while the cost blowouts and delays are well documented, it was interesting and almost comforting to read your rather positive comments about the system. Especially as you are able to make comparisons between the go card and Myki. Still, I can't help but wonder what the Metro mob must think about this system, as parent company MTR have been using the thoroughly excellent 'Octopus' Card in Hong Kong for years.

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Nojee VR branch line than branched off at Warrigul and headed for hills.  About 30 km, was closed in 1941

Smart arse mode now... The section between Nayook and Noojee was actually closed on 27 March, 1954 while Waragul to Nayook hung on until 1 October 1958. I went for a bike ride along the old alignment from Noojee to the first Trestle out, (as well as a couple of other rail trails down there). Here is a pic:



For anyone with nothing better to do, there are more pics and a bit of a story about the Noojee part of my trip at a small blog I did for the trip Here
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Re: Melbourne visit January 2010
« Reply #39 on: January 15, 2010, 03:55:33 AM »
Thanks Mick.  The information I was given must have been jumbled, I suspect the Noojee closed as a result of the fires 1939 and re-opened 1941 and subsequently closed as you have indicated.  These temporary closures occurred a number of times following fires.

Interesting line.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noojee_railway_line,_Victoria some more.  Will check out your blog, sounds great.

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