POLL Proposed Park Road Railway Station Name change

[Sunbus610]

Park Road railway station name change

TransLink and QR are investigating changing the name of Park Road station, on the Beenleigh, Gold Coast and Cleveland lines, to Boggo Road station.

The local area in and around the Boggo Road gaol, is quickly developing into a recognised precinct with a mixed-use development in the pipeline and construction almost complete on the new busway.

In recognition of the station?s proximity to the Boggo Road precinct, it is being proposed that Park Road station be renamed Boggo Road station.

The proposed name is a consistent and commonsense way of linking passengers to the local precinct and changing the name of the station will make it easy for passengers to identify the location of Boggo Road precinct on the network.

About the station
Park Road rail station is located in Dutton Park with access via Quarry Street (off Park Road). The station will be linked via pedestrian pathway to the new busway station being built adjacent to the Boggo Road precinct.

Let us know what you think
TransLink and QR are committed to improving the customer experience ? from decision to destination ? and are seeking your feedback on the proposed name.

You are invited to provide feedback on the name change between 3 June and 24 June 2009.

You can have your say by:

Phone:
07 3235 1516

Mail:
Att: Community Relations,
GPO Box 1429, Brisbane, Qld, 4000

Alternatively send us an email:
passengerprojects@qr.com.au

The link to Park Road railway station name change on the QR website.

Whilst I'm not overly fond of change, with this project http://www.boggoroadurbanvillage.com in the pipeline, I would have to agree that a name change from Park Road railway station to Boggo Road railway station would be the sensible idea. Also, I think it would be a little too confusing to still have a railway station called Park Road right next to a busway station named Boggo Road.

[mufreight]

Why? What productive result will renaming the station achieve?
Renaming the station serves no practical purpose and change for the sake of change is simply a waste of taxpayers money.
Park Road has been the station name since the station was opened and it would be far more logical that rather than rename Park Road that the new adjoining bus station also be called and signed Park Road rather than the expense of resigning the existing Park Road railway station then having the additional expense of changing all the pre recorded on train station announcements.
From the heritage aspect the station name of Park Road has value and Boggo Road carries the stigma of the prison of that name.
Changing the station name will do nothing towards improving the levels or standard of the passenger services provided and the cost of the name change could be better spent in other areas to improve service for commuters rather than for the benefit of the developers of the business / residential precinct  being developed on the old jail site.
 
and in response to Sunbus610 would it not be simpler to simply call the bus station / railway station Park Road Interchange.

[Derwan]

I was in favour of renaming Brunswick St Station to Fortitude Valley Station.  The suburb name quickly identifies the locality. 

Park Rd could be any one of many streets in Brisbane suburbs including Milton, Woolloowin, Slacks Creek and Nundah.  I would prefer to see a station named after the area that it's in - not a street name.  In the case of Park Rd, it is in Dutton Park and there is already a station with that name.

As the area is going to be known as the Boggo Rd precinct - and there is only one Boggo Rd in Brisbane, the name change to me is sensible.

[Markus]

I thought the "Boggo Village" site was to be a new residential village. Who in the heck would want to be living in Boggo anything. Yuck.
As for the Bus station im shocked that it will be called Boggo also.
How about prettying up urban renewal areas along with a suitable name rather than lumping it as a bog. Gross out. 

IF I was to live there or even work there, I'd deliberately state that my address is ANYTHING, rather than Boggo . . . .
e.g. Annerley, Park Rd.

[O_128]

im in favor if the nice new signs are put in and the station gets an upgrade

[mufreight]

O-128 have to disagree with you rather strongly on this one, why pay to lose another bit of heritage, it will do nothing to improve the standards of services, now if it was going to bring about a tangiable improvement a different story.

[O_128]

this is just a pointless consultation for something that will happen anyway. Face it whether or not the name changes the signs one day will be updated. As well as this the busway station is boggo road. I do prefer the original-original name of boggo junction though. Anyone got any suggestions on what the station could be called, Annerly sounds nice

[stephenk]

The problem with calling the station Annerley is that it isn't exactly in Annerley is it?

Boggo Rd identifies the location better than Park Rd, even if the name has bad associations.

[Matt]

Why not leave it as it is and call the bus interchange Park Rd , the name Boggo is dodgy sounding and has connotations of the old gaol.
Typical change for change's sake typical of govt departments trying to to justify their existence.

[mufreight]

Scratching for money to fund infrastructure maintenance and the want to spend at least a couple of hundred thousand for a name change that will do nothing to improve the standards of service.
Park Road is a name that has historical signifiance, why change it just to justify the existence of some spin doctor at Translink and the comercial interests of the adjoining development.
Simply call both the rail and the bus station the Park Road interchange.

[dwb]

I have (and I know of others who have been too) confused by the name Park Rd for the previously stated reason - there are Park Roads all around Brisbane. Whenever I think of the name it makes me think of Milton!

I fully support the name change to Boggo Road station, I think it will ease confusion and will help form some new history and identity for the place that is developing into quite a centre on its own, we don't have to keep everything the same from the past just because it is from the past!

[mufreight]

Why not retain our heritage and history, change for changes sake with no benefit serves no practical purpose and costs funds that could be better spent to improve failing infrastructure to maintain services

[dwb]

But that is the thing, it is NOT just a change 'for the sake of it'.

There IS confusion over the name currently
There WILL be a major new suburb in effect surrounding the Gaol
Boggo Road Gaol IS already a well known landmark
This village WILL be called Boggo Road Village
There WILL be a new MAJOR bus-rail interchange
Passengers WILL continue to be confused if the name stays as Park Road

[mufreight]

Since when is Boggo Road Village a suburb.
It is questionable that anyone who is currently confused about the name Park Road and its location should be allowed out unacompanied and using your argument changing the name to Boggo Road will then create confusion with those who have known the station as Park Road for a lifetime.
There is no benefit in this prop9osed name change to anyone other than the developers who will not pay the quite considerable costs as a consequence of a name change, funds that could be better expended on maintenance of failing infrastructure to maintain a more reliable service.
In the current financial climate the costs of such a change is a further waste of funds from the public purse but then what else would one expect from Translink who seem more oriented towards providing publicity for a developer than service to commuters.

[Arnz]

Park Road isnt a suburb either. 
At the same time, the station isnt really located on a "Park Road" either. 

[dwb]

Suburb, locality.... semantics.

Point is the 'village' has ~500 apartments in the DA, retail spaces and an 'ecosciences' precinct that will be home to about 1000 researches from different departments and organisations.

Dutton Park as a suburb only has about 1380 residents in 640 dwellings and probably squat jobs (I'm assuming the PA is in Woolloongabba not Dutton Park, its not in Buranda as that is a locality)... vis a vis, Boggo Road Urban Village WILL BE in effect, in 5-10years much more than just a locality and possibly have its own defined suburb.

I assume when you say "developer" you realise the project is owned by the Department of Public Works?

Oh, and for the record I also supported the renaming of Fortitude Valley station on the same logic (name better reflecting location in contemporary mindset) and I think its great that went through!

[mufreight]

Yes the developer is the "Government" but I think that you will find that the marketing and management is in private commercial hands and as for Park Road not being on Park Road it is indeed a considerable distance further from the station to Boggo Road which has never been connected to or has access to the station.

[Markus]

Hmm . . .OK guys Park Rd doesn't say alot for identifying exactly where in BNE you are, however, I do think Boggo Junction is tolerable.

Another point, why is the Gov't jumping up & down saying the train and bus station have to be named the same when South Brisbane train station and Cultural centre bus station arent the same.

[stephenk]

Another point, why is the Gov't jumping up & down saying the train and bus station have to be named the same when South Brisbane train station and Cultural centre bus station arent the same.

They aren't actually connected though.

However, maybe South Brisbane should be renamed Cultural Centre?

[Markus]

To StephenK,
Yes. I agree they are not connected. Having to "go down, across a road & up again", however, I can see in the future there will be a bridge linking the two.
Also, while we're on the subject it'd make sense to me to have a Cultural Centre train station instead of a South Brisbane station.
Having TWO South "whatevers" stations together doesn't do much to create a separate identify from each other., esp. to NESB newcomers & sounds more classy !

Mebe that could be next on Translinks hit list.

[ozbob]

Vulture St, Gloucester St, Park Road made sense when they first set up the railway.

Time moves on, Gloucester St was closed 1978.

Vulture St is now Southbank, smell of commercialism there no doubt.  Seems inevitable to me that the name of Park Road will change.  I can't get over how much money they are spending on ads.  Everywhere I look it seems there is another ad.  I actually think the decision is already made and the so called consultation is mainly cosmetic.  

Boggo junction would be OK.  Then we can work on Darra Junction ..  

Sent this personal email to passengerprojects@qr.com.au

Greetings,

Re proposed name change Park Road to Boggo Road.

I think the best name would be Boggo Junction. 

Vulture St, Gloucester St, Park Road made sense when they first set up the railway.

Time moves on, Gloucester St was closed 1978.   Vulture St is now Southbank.  Functional name.

Boggo Road is too narrow a name. Boggo Junction makes sense as it is a true junction station.  Also indicates that it is a junction to the travelling public.

Best wishes
Robert

[O_128]

Boggo junction sounds better. And i so agree that south Brisbane should be renamed cultural center even for locals it is confusing as many have no idea which station to get off at. Though if south Brisbane is renamed it will need some classy signage as i cant see the modern signage looking right with all of the classical architecture

[ozbob]

 

As the bus station will be Boggo Road, having the railway station as Boggo Junction makes it easy to differentiate between the two stations as well.  

http://wapedia.mobi/en/Boggo_Road_Gaol

Boggo Road Gaol (alt. and older spelling "Bogga") was a notorious Australian prison located on Annerley Road in Dutton Park, an inner southern suburb of Brisbane, Queensland, Australia. It was officially known as "Brisbane Jail" but was commonly known as "Boggo Road Jail" because Annerley Road was formerly known as "Boggo Road". Boggo Road was originally an unofficial and unmaintained short-cut between Ipswich Road and Stanley Street that became very boggy after rain [1] .

[ozbob]

In case you haven't noticed, I have added a poll to the top of this thread.  Once you vote you can see the voting trends.

Cheers
Bob

[Fares_Fair]

Typical of the waste of Government resources ($10,000 quoted as cost to rename station)
when they could better use the money elsewhere in the network.

Regards,
Fares_Fair.

[mufreight]

The cost of the actual sinage at the station itself is the tip of the iceberg.
consider the costs involved in reprinting timetables, reprograming all the voice anouncements on train, reprograming all the destination VDU's at major stations, minimum cost more likely to be well in excess of $200.000, it would be far simpler to retain the historic name and simply call the bus and rail station Park Road Interchange, no new sinage required for the station and the sineage for the bus station can then be for Park Road Interchange.
Simple and less costly.
I like other contributors to this forum see this consultation process as a farce, the decision already having been made and as the feedback on the name change has been to this date negative more money will be spent to attempt to justify the decision.
Changing the name will do nothing to improving the standards of service but the money wasted on this needless exercise if spent on maintenance might reduce the present infrastructure failure rate, wages for a couple of signal maintainers for a year for instance.

[O_128]

The cost of the actual sinage at the station itself is the tip of the iceberg.
consider the costs involved in reprinting timetables, reprograming all the voice anouncements on train, reprograming all the destination VDU's at major stations, minimum cost more likely to be well in excess of $200.000, it would be far simpler to retain the historic name and simply call the bus and rail station Park Road Interchange, no new sinage required for the station and the sineage for the bus station can then be for Park Road Interchange.
Simple and less costly.
I like other contributors to this forum see this consultation process as a farce, the decision already having been made and as the feedback on the name change has been to this date negative more money will be spent to attempt to justify the decision.
Changing the name will do nothing to improving the standards of service but the money wasted on this needless exercise if spent on maintenance might reduce the present infrastructure failure rate, wages for a couple of signal maintainers for a year for instance.

1. timetables are going to be reprinted in October anyway.
2. how hard can reprogramming the voice VAS be. They are going to have to do it soon anyway because gold coast services will be stopping at park road and the VAS will also announce people to change trains for the eastern busway.

3. the consultation process is rubbish and a decision was made months ago.

[mufreight]

Why reprint the timetables twice with the same applying to the rest but the bottom line is regardless it is goung to cost and will have no effect towards improving or maintaining standards of service just to suit the ego of some otherwise unable to justify his existence Translink parasite whose efforts would be better directed at doing something productive towards improving service standards.

[Fares_Fair]

I'm with you on this one mufreight.

Clearly the decision was already made by the Government - before the ludicrous "consultation" process.
It truly is astonishing when you see the Government is not trying to scrimp and save but wastes money
that would be better allocated to other more needy areas in transport.

While we're on Government squandering of our taxes, can anyone tell me why good money is wasted
on the sponsorship of the Qld Reds Rugby Union team ?

Regards,
Fares_Fair.

[Arnz]

IIRC, there were a few timetable changes in October.  Including "overdue" timetable adjustments for the NCL between Caboolture and Beerburrum (eliminating the now redundant crossing wait times for some services).

[SteelPan]

As far as I can remember (so we're fighting beer, rum and bourbon here  ) this NONSENSE started with "renaming" Vulture Street, to the very utilitarian "Southbank" (wow, SEXY!) - obviously the _ogan set, could not join the dot's and detrain at Vulture Street, for Southbank - remembering one word is hard enuff, aye!

We then "renamed" Brunswick St, Fortitude Valley and now Park Rd seems set to get a renaming - why?  Are modern folk that dumb, you cannot learn the name of a Station, to get to where you are living/working/visiting???  How many people in Translink/QR have being employed to develop this latest job protection scheme? 

I gotta tell ya, ayeee, Vulture Street is Vulture Street, Brunswick Street is Brunswick Street and Park Road is Park Road...and while we're at it, the Beer, Rum and Bourbon want me to tell you...Lang Park, always was, is and will bloody well be LANG PARK!   

[Derwan]

started with "renaming" Vulture Street, to the very utilitarian "Southbank" (wow, SEXY!)

Someone forgot to tell Mr Google.

[ozbob]

From the Westender click here!

Park Road railway station name to remain the same

No change at Park Road
Park Road railway station name to remain the same

Anna Bligh, Premier and Member for South Brisbane, has announced that Park Road train station in Dutton Park will retain its name after the community voted in favour of the traditional name.

Ms Bligh said TransLink and QR had proposed changing the name to Boggo Road station to recognise recent urban development in the area.

?Park Road train station is in Quarry Street, Dutton Park, but a rail station called Dutton Park already exists just one stop further along the Beenleigh line,? Ms Bligh said.

?Changing the name of existing infrastructure can be an emotive issue, so I was very keen for the community to be consulted on the proposed new name.

?The public were invited to provide feedback over three weeks in June with 217 responses received.

?The feedback was quite clear with 61 per cent opposed to the name change, 14 per cent offering alternative names and only 25 per cent in favour.

?Those opposed to the name change mostly expressed concerns about creating confusion as Park Road has been a long standing station name.

?Concerns were also raised about links to the area?s history as a gaol site.

?Based on community feedback, TransLink and QR will retain the name Park Road station.?

Ms Bligh said the proposed change to Park Road station was not the first time that community consultation had been undertaken to get feedback on changing a station name.

?In August 2008, TransLink and QR undertook consultation on changing the name of Brunswick Street station. On that occasion, the public were in support of a change to Fortitude Valley station,? Ms Bligh said.

For more information about public transport, please visit www.translink.com.au or phone 13 12 30, 24 hours a day, seven days a week.

[curator49]

How many of you know that Dutton Park station was originally called Boggo Junction?

It was renamed Dutton Park in 1914.

Regards
David Mewes

[Fares_Fair]

At last a win for common sense, the money saved will be much better used elsewhere ...
elsewhere in the rail network I would hope - and not to sponsor high-profile sports stars and their professionally paid sports games.

Regards,
Fares_Fair.

[#Metro]

I would rather have it as

Park Road Interchange

because that is what it is.

The same could go for Eagle Junction, Northgate etc.

[Gazza]

I want Boggo Junction, would balance nicely with Eagle Junction.

...As a rule I think street names should be avoided outside of the CBD since a street can be anywhere (There are six Park Roads in Brisbane) but a suburb is fixed. Plus when you are travelling via train you are probably just navigating to a particular suburb, and then potentially using a bus/walking to access a specific street within that suburb.

For that reason I hope they can come up with another name for Kinsellas Rd (Would make sense to just name it after whatever subdivision ends up going nearby) and eventually rename Thomas St to Sadliers Crossing if that station ever gets upgraded.

Ah well, maybe they can change the name when the Boggo Rd CRR station opens.

[ghostryder]

All
Whats in a name ? Over the years various stations have been renamed due to confussion and frustration and lost luggage. It now seems that to change a name requires an outlay of big bucks to do it. Over the years Gailes (Dingo Hill) Ebbw Vale Riverview (Moggill Ferry) Wacol(Wolston) Sherwood(Oxley West) West Burleigh (Burleigh) Nundah (German station) Exhibition (Bowen park) Woolowin (Lutwyche) Boondall (Cabbage Tree) Clayfield (Sandgate Road Crossing) Ascot (Racecourse) Petrie (North Pine) Just to name a few have been renamed some with little fuss others with threats of violence.
Lets hope if names are changed in future its for the right reasons.

scott

[mufreight]

I want Boggo Junction, would balance nicely with Eagle Junction.

...As a rule I think street names should be avoided outside of the CBD since a street can be anywhere (There are six Park Roads in Brisbane) but a suburb is fixed. Plus when you are travelling via train you are probably just navigating to a particular suburb, and then potentially using a bus/walking to access a specific street within that suburb.

For that reason I hope they can come up with another name for Kinsellas Rd (Would make sense to just name it after whatever subdivision ends up going nearby) and eventually rename Thomas St to Sadliers Crossing if that station ever gets upgraded.

Ah well, maybe they can change the name when the Boggo Rd CRR station opens.

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And synonymous with the old gaol that was there.  When naughty as a child, my parents told me I would have to mend my ways, or i'd end up in 'Boggo Road'.  Maybe that association has turned people off a station name change at Park Road.  (For the record -- never an inmate of Boggo Road.)

I support the name Boggo Rd.  It has immense historical significance and it perfectly describes where the station is.  Boggo Rd Gaol is a notorious place and is still there.  Indeed, while the gaol has been decommissioned, my wife - who works for CSIRO  has become a Boggo Rd "inmate" having recently moved into the Qld Ecosciences Precinct next door.  "Park Road" could be anywhere and indeed, has some great restaurants just a few minutes walk from Milton Station (said with tongue in cheek!)

Quote from Gazza on this thread today, obviously what you want is not what the majority of residents and users want and the money spent on a name change would be better spent on other things more relevant to the provision of services.
I want Boggo Junction, would balance nicely with Eagle Junction.

...As a rule I think street names should be avoided outside of the CBD since a street can be anywhere (There are six Park Roads in Brisbane) but a suburb is fixed. Plus when you are travelling via train you are probably just navigating to a particular suburb, and then potentially using a bus/walking to access a specific street within that suburb.

For that reason I hope they can come up with another name for Kinsellas Rd (Would make sense to just name it after whatever subdivision ends up going nearby) and eventually rename Thomas St to Sadliers Crossing if that station ever gets upgraded.

Ah well, maybe they can change the name when the Boggo Rd CRR station opens.

They no doubt could but they have already tried that once and got a resounding kick in the butt from the public but no doubt they will be sufficently stupid and arrogant to try it for size again.
What benefit is there to be gained by the name change, when Translink attempted to exert its authority to spend QR's money to change the name previously they ended up taking a bath on the idea with better than 80% of those responding to the name change being most verhment in their oposition.  Forget it, the residents dont want the name changed and it is of note that many who use the bus to the Boggo Rd bus station to transfer to the train refer to the bus station as PARK ROAD when purchasing a ticket or inquiring of the driver if the bus goes to PARK ROAD there has to be a message there.

[Gazza]

Forget it, the residents dont want the name changed

Just my personal opinion, but it shouldn't be about what they want, but rather what is good in the context of the whole system.

Imagine, if Park Road had its all signage removed. Locals/"residents" would still be able to find it because they recognise the place itself.
But people who have not visited the place before would be the ones most affected.....I guess what I'm trying to say is that station naming should primarily benefit those trying to navigate the system, and to that end needs to be as unambiguous as possible (Remember, 6 park roads, with one of them being a slightly well known cafe district). Even renaming Brunswick St to Fortitude Valley had some opponents, and that was probably one of the most logical renamings they have done!

Besides local residents often don't care about wider issues when pushing their agenda. If we listened only to what local residents had to say, CRR would probably have to have had its portal somewhere in the open land south of Beenleigh, since no matter where you put it, local residents "don't want" it anywhere near them.