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Bungled projects - please add examples
« on: June 04, 2016, 03:06:50 AM »
Queensland has a proud tradition of bungling up major projects through corner cutting.
Perhaps we could make a list?

Please suggest below. Only past projects please.
« Last Edit: June 04, 2016, 03:17:16 AM by ozbob »
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Re: Bungled projects - please add examples
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2016, 03:17:51 AM »
Darra station - layout absurd ...

Twin island platforms with a sensible track layout would have actually saved big $$ and made it a lot better from an operational and passenger viewpoint.
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Re: Bungled projects - please add examples
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2016, 06:00:20 AM »
Failure to electrify UP sub Corinda to Pannard crossings (Darra East).  Failure to build additional platform at Oxley for UP sub.
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Re: Bungled projects - please add examples
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2016, 07:34:19 AM »
CRR, bus reforms

CityCycle and Go Card integration

Removing paper ticketing

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Re: Bungled projects - please add examples
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2016, 11:22:41 AM »
Not a major one, but failing to design the G: in such a way that buses could operate on the corridor in lieu of trams (ie no complete surface on bridges, island platforms at 6 stops, insufficient clearances elsewhere).
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Re: Bungled projects - please add examples
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2016, 12:06:23 PM »
7 temporary rail platforms along Sunshine Coast to Gympie line.
Located at Mooloolah, Eudlo, Palmwoods, Woombye, Eumundi, Pomona & Cooran.
Installed Dec 2009/Jan 2010 and designed to last 18 months.
Still paying rent on scaffolding to Quikform. (note to self, check share price)  :wi3
Still there over 5 years later.
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Re: Bungled projects - please add examples
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2016, 03:13:01 PM »
Eagle Junction Station.

Massive building in the car park that no one uses.  Derelict building left on the platform.
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Re: Bungled projects - please add examples
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2016, 04:08:22 PM »
Not building 4th track between Salisbury and Kuraby, no dedicated turnback track at Kuraby.
Not electrifying 4th track Corinda to Darra, and no 4th platform at Oxley.
Ferny Grove duplication in two separate stages - and even then taking another 18 months to improve the timetable.
Not duplicating Gold Coast Line from start in 90s.
Low capacity crossover layout at Kippa-Ring - moot point given that it isn't even in operation.
No station at Ellen Grove on Springfield Line.

Then there is a massive lost of projects (mainly duplication or triplications) nearly started and cancelled...
 

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Re: Bungled projects - please add examples
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2016, 04:28:03 PM »
The whole Stafford Road/Gympie Road intersection.   
Very long list of what is wrong here

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Re: Bungled projects - please add examples
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2016, 07:20:37 PM »
The Ipswich & Logan Motorway interchange at Gailes in the westbound direction prior to the Ipswich Motorway upgrade. The Logan Motorway had a dangerously short merge into the overtaking lane of the Ipswich Motorway.

Prior to the Ipswich Motorway upgrade, trucks commonly used to travel in the right hand lane of only 2 lanes. When a couple of semi trailers travelling too close to each other tried to merge between a couple of semi trailers travelling too close to each other on the Ipswich Motorway, it was a dangerous situation. If the vehicles involved were B doubles, the situation was even more dangerous.
 


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Re: Bungled projects - please add examples
« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2016, 09:35:41 PM »
Can I add:
Not running dual tracks for the full Gold Coast line when first installed

The update of Indooroopilly station

The recent Ferny Grove upgrade

Which I believe were all done by QR themselves?

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Re: Bungled projects - please add examples
« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2016, 10:42:58 PM »
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The recent Ferny Grove upgrade

What's wrong with FG?
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Re: Bungled projects - please add examples
« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2016, 10:50:31 PM »
Failing to raise platforms to train floor height along the entire platform.
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Re: Bungled projects - please add examples
« Reply #13 on: June 05, 2016, 01:13:16 AM »
They're not full length and full height? I don't even notice!  :clp:

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« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2016, 11:51:37 AM »
They're not full length and full height? I don't even notice!  :clp:

My comment was network wide actually, but for FG works - Oxford Park and Keperra not done at all, Grovely only done at one end a la Roma St.  FG itself is fine.  Newmarket - guessing that won't be done properly either.  Alderley was meant to have been done (and done properly) by now too.
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« Reply #15 on: June 05, 2016, 11:55:03 AM »
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The recent Ferny Grove upgrade

What's wrong with FG?

I would presume the fact that the duplication was done in two stages over a long length of time.   FG itself wasted huge amounts of money on a single deck car park, thestation  building itself being a crash barrier, the timetable for FG taking over a year to implement and make full use of the duplication.   

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Re: Bungled projects - please add examples
« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2016, 02:12:36 PM »
My comment was network wide actually, but for FG works - Oxford Park and Keperra not done at all, Grovely only done at one end a la Roma St.  FG itself is fine.  Newmarket - guessing that won't be done properly either.  Alderley was meant to have been done (and done properly) by now too.

Keperra was basically untouched by the duplication works.
Oxford Park - there's a bit of a curve to provide some excuse, but it should have gotten at least a hump, and preferably full-height along the entire FG end (with a wider platform there if needed to reduce the curve).

As for Alderley and Newmarket - I guess we'll see how those go. Given how much of a curve Alderley's on, my expectations are pretty low.

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Re: Bungled projects - please add examples
« Reply #17 on: June 05, 2016, 02:17:29 PM »
In Queensland, always best to have very low expectations.  Minor successes then appear as overwhelming triumphs!

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Re: Bungled projects - please add examples
« Reply #18 on: June 05, 2016, 03:48:34 PM »
King George Square busway station leaking when it rains heavily.
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Re: Bungled projects - please add examples
« Reply #19 on: June 05, 2016, 06:05:59 PM »
Graceville and Dinmore disability access upgrades, a they are only putting in humps instead of raising the whole platform but the lifts are being installed with the platform level exits being built to the existing platform level so when eventually the platform levels get raised the lifts will need to be rebuilt, they could be future proofed by building the exit from the lifts to the carriage floor height with a ramp down to the existing platform level.

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« Reply #20 on: June 05, 2016, 06:27:30 PM »
Who could forget the replacement of Darra (I think it was) bus stop :)
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Re: Bungled projects - please add examples
« Reply #21 on: June 05, 2016, 09:51:37 PM »
Newmarket will only be a hump, saw someone ask the question on the QR FB page a while back regarding the upgrade and the temporary platforms. Temp platforms are being built at low level and the normal platforms will only have a hump.
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Re: Bungled projects - please add examples
« Reply #22 on: June 06, 2016, 06:45:28 AM »

The update of Indooroopilly station



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« Reply #23 on: June 06, 2016, 09:01:31 AM »
The 'temporary' scaffold and plywood platform extensions at seven stations on the Sunshine Coast Line.  Installed in 2009-2010 and designed to last just two years, they continue to be dubbed 'temporary' even though they have been there long enough to be classified permanent.  Three (north of Nambour) have been identified for replacement, but no action yet.

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« Reply #24 on: June 06, 2016, 09:03:28 AM »
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The 'temporary' scaffold and plywood platform extensions at seven stations on the Sunshine Coast Line.  Installed in 2009-2010 and designed to last just two years, they continue to be dubbed 'temporary' even though they have been there long enough to be classified permanent.  Three (north of Nambour) have been identified for replacement, but no action yet.

Which seven stations were those? I remember a dramatic mushrooms photo!
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« Reply #25 on: June 06, 2016, 09:04:55 AM »
7 temporary rail platforms along Sunshine Coast to Gympie line.
Located at Mooloolah, Eudlo, Palmwoods, Woombye, Eumundi, Pomona & Cooran.
Installed Dec 2009/Jan 2010 and designed to last 18 months.
Still paying rent on scaffolding to Quikform. (note to self, check share price)  :wi3
Still there over 5 years later.
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« Reply #26 on: June 06, 2016, 09:38:18 AM »
There will be more mushrooms sprouting after the recent wet weather.  The temporary platforms are a make work scheme.  A worker in hi-viz gear appears periodically with a can of spray paint -- walks up and down and where he thinks the plywood is so spongy that a foot or a child might fall through, he identifies the area with the paint.  A week or so later, plywood arrives, together with a crew, to replace the damaged ply.  New ply is sprayed with a bitumen-like substance to stop water getting in, but it eventually does.  The maintenance ritual is a never-ending story.

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« Reply #27 on: June 06, 2016, 09:59:22 AM »
Wardell st/ samdford rd intersection.   
60 million for an extra right turn lane.


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« Reply #28 on: June 06, 2016, 11:16:02 AM »
Wardell st/ samdford rd intersection.   
60 million for an extra right turn lane.
...and has just moved the am peak congestion to the next junction in Alderley.

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« Reply #29 on: June 06, 2016, 12:26:00 PM »
Geebung. Installed a brand new bus interchange that only rail buses use. 326/327/336/337 still have the closest on road bus stop.325 refuses to use the interchange. 325 stop is located 3/4 of the way to Chermside half way up a hill.
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« Reply #30 on: June 06, 2016, 12:30:16 PM »
Chermside interchange. The most stupidest designed interchange in Brisbane. Like how in peak hour there are more bays reserved for the 333 routes while the 330/340 buz and 335 all have to share the same bay. I think the 332 also uses that same bay now too.
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« Reply #31 on: June 06, 2016, 02:23:50 PM »
Chermside interchange. The most stupidest designed interchange in Brisbane. Like how in peak hour there are more bays reserved for the 333 routes while the 330/340 buz and 335 all have to share the same bay. I think the 332 also uses that same bay now too.

I will raise your bet with the enoggera interchange

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« Reply #32 on: June 06, 2016, 04:10:32 PM »
Enoggera is more a case of being overtaken by events than there being anything innately wrong with it.  If only you could lift the whole thing up and dump it somewhere it would do some more good.
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« Reply #33 on: June 06, 2016, 05:49:01 PM »
On a smaller scale ... but it's my local .. 4 minute walk train station.. Oxley ... as indicated the failure to put electricity to the 4th line or build the 4th platform.. but in terms of the actual upgrade and installation of the 3rd platform:

Failure to install the "kiss and ride" on Ardoyne Road adjacent to the 3rd platform regardless that it appeared very prominently in all the glossy "to be" pictures selling the upgrade

Failure to open the new pedestrian bridge for 6 months after it was completed.. and then only reluctantly after pressure from myself and others lobbying the Minister (it is a vital piece of community infrastructure linking the two sides of Oxley in the local vicinity

Installing one of the steel beam infrastructure supporting the electric power lines incorrectly and then powering up the line (was corrected after another outage after being advised by RBOT members) which I understand resulted in the removal of the engineer responsible

Replacement of every single screw (thousands) in the pedestrian bridge with proper stainless steel screws after rusting appeared after a few weeks (I advised QR)

Failure of the pedestrian footpath outside platform three, which I recall was required to be completely dug up and relaid two times due to not complying with standards

Failure of the concrete laying on platform three which results in water in rain events not going anywhere near the actual drains that were built in platform three concourse, and the drains themselves not actually being built to take water from the platform to a drain

Failure of the attempt to "fix" the broken subway so that water doesn't leak through the broken wall/ceiling .. sorry not that familiar with this issue.. but it exists, they tried to fix it but failed and didn't retry to fix it .. so it remains broken....

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« Reply #34 on: June 06, 2016, 06:09:44 PM »
They're not full length and full height? I don't even notice!  :clp:

My comment was network wide actually, but for FG works - Oxford Park and Keperra not done at all, Grovely only done at one end a la Roma St.  FG itself is fine.  Newmarket - guessing that won't be done properly either.  Alderley was meant to have been done (and done properly) by now too.

Aren't full length, full height platforms basically impossible at stations with curved platforms, e.g. Park Rd.

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« Reply #35 on: June 06, 2016, 06:25:34 PM »
As for Alderley and Newmarket - I guess we'll see how those go. Given how much of a curve Alderley's on, my expectations are pretty low.

Alderley is currently on a curve but by extending the platforms 50m south and chopping off the curved end you would fix most if not all the issue - concept plans I remember seeing had that set up.  (No different to what happened with old Coopers Plains and to an extent old Altandi.)
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« Reply #36 on: June 06, 2016, 06:45:58 PM »
Legacy Way tunnel - no bus connection (yet)
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« Reply #37 on: June 06, 2016, 07:33:40 PM »
Failure to grade separate major LX's. 
This is in particular to when upgrade works were done, but no grade seperation, even on extremely busy LX's for both heavy road and rail traffic.|
(coopers plains, everything south of lawnton)

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« Reply #38 on: June 06, 2016, 08:38:08 PM »
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Failure to grade separate major LX's. 
This is in particular to when upgrade works were done, but no grade seperation, even on extremely busy LX's for both heavy road and rail traffic.|
(coopers plains, everything south of lawnton)

Not sure about this one. LX upgrades are costly? Is it a bungle or more of an omission??

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« Reply #39 on: June 06, 2016, 10:13:05 PM »
If you are going to be slapping down new track, its cheaper to combine the two projects instead of building something, just to redo it later on but at a different height.
The lawnton triplication fell victim to this.  Nothing south of lawnton should have a LX, screw the cars its simply too many trains passing through. 

 

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