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Where should an RRR station go?

Springwood
1 (25%)
Garden City Shopping Centre
3 (75%)

Total Members Voted: 4

Voting closed: April 21, 2016, 04:45:46 PM

Author Topic: SEQ Regional Rapid Rail - Springwood or Garden City  (Read 1881 times)

Offline #Metro

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SEQ Regional Rapid Rail - Springwood or Garden City
« on: April 18, 2016, 04:45:46 PM »
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Re: SEQ Regional Rapid Rail - Springwood or Garden City
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2016, 04:48:17 PM »

SEQ Regional Rapid Rail http://tiny.cc/SEQHSR

Just note the location of Springwood RRR - It would be possible to run a frequent feeder bus from Richlands Rail - Inala - Calamvale into Springwood. Not possible if station located at Garden City.

Also, Garden City pax could also just get the busway into Springwood and change.
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Re: SEQ Regional Rapid Rail - Springwood or Garden City
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2016, 05:10:47 PM »
Using a rough as guts alignment
- Yatala to Loganholme would be about 10-11km
- Loganholme to Springwood would be about 7-8km
- Springwood to Garden City would be about 7-8km
- Garden City to Boggo Road would be about 9-10km

A service which had stops in each of these locations would still be competitive with driving times, and the additional patronage and network effect would be a benefit.
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Re: SEQ Regional Rapid Rail - Springwood or Garden City
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2016, 05:49:30 PM »

SEQ Regional Rapid Rail http://tiny.cc/SEQHSR

Just note the location of Springwood RRR - It would be possible to run a frequent feeder bus from Richlands Rail - Inala - Calamvale into Springwood. Not possible if station located at Garden City.

Also, Garden City pax could also just get the busway into Springwood and change.

Aren't there already services from Inala-Garden city.

Garden city would produce more passengers due to density and existing interchange.

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Re: SEQ Regional Rapid Rail - Springwood or Garden City
« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2016, 06:10:53 PM »
There's the 122 - its in-vehicle time appears to be about the same as catching a 100 into Mater Hill and a whatever back out to Garden City!

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Re: SEQ Regional Rapid Rail - Springwood or Garden City
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2016, 06:32:31 PM »
If we look at the New Bus Network Proposal, 909 would be able to connect these places.

So it might be possible. Bear in mind that lots of pax might use the service, but these would also crowd out GC pax, who unlike local pax, don't have an alternative busway to get to the city with. This would be important during peak hour, where GC trains can be come quite crowded.

Perhaps 9 car trains would be required with this option at Garden City.
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Re: SEQ Regional Rapid Rail - Springwood or Garden City
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2016, 06:55:34 PM »
^Why are you placing stations on the basis of the new network proposal and not working the other way?

In other words, first placing stations where the jobs and activity are, and then designing a bus system on that basis?

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Re: SEQ Regional Rapid Rail - Springwood or Garden City
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2016, 07:44:46 PM »
I don't see why you couldn't do both really, but given one or the other I'd go for Garden City. It has a (potential) catchment area spanning from Carindale and Cannon Hill in the north and the bayside/parts of Logan in the east, to as far as Browns Plains in the south and Inala/Moorooka in the west. Network reform would bring much of these areas into frequent, easy access of a station here.

Springwood is a bit too far out to adequately link with most of Brisbane's southside (perhaps this is due to the lack of integration around Calamvale between LCBS and BT) and a lot of Logan is really only served by infrequent services right now, aside from the 555 which could just be extended to Beenleigh anyway. Beenleigh is a closer to Springwood than Garden City is to the CBD (particularly in terms of potential travel times).

So it might be possible. Bear in mind that lots of pax might use the service, but these would also crowd out GC pax, who unlike local pax, don't have an alternative busway to get to the city with. This would be important during peak hour, where GC trains can be come quite crowded.

Perhaps 9 car trains would be required with this option at Garden City.

Could simply operate one-way gates at Garden City in peak hour (i.e. allow boarding only). I only really see this as an issue in PM peak though - AM peak the GC pax will already be on board.
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Re: SEQ Regional Rapid Rail - Springwood or Garden City
« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2016, 08:01:15 PM »
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I don't see why you couldn't do both really, but given one or the other I'd go for Garden City. It has a (potential) catchment area spanning from Carindale and Cannon Hill in the north and the bayside/parts of Logan in the east, to as far as Browns Plains in the south and Inala/Moorooka in the west. Network reform would bring much of these areas into frequent, easy access of a station here.

This is a good point.

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Springwood is a bit too far out to adequately link with most of Brisbane's southside (perhaps this is due to the lack of integration around Calamvale between LCBS and BT) and a lot of Logan is really only served by infrequent services right now, aside from the 555 which could just be extended to Beenleigh anyway. Beenleigh is a closer to Springwood than Garden City is to the CBD (particularly in terms of potential travel times).

I think it would be hard to enforce politically. V/Line in Melbourne has this, train pulls into Dandenong or Caulfield etc and it is for 'disembarking pax only' of course, there are always someone who wants to rush and sneak on. Thankfully QR doesn't do this for its longer distance services.

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Re: SEQ Regional Rapid Rail - Springwood or Garden City
« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2016, 08:03:50 PM »
I think with all things considered, you'd stop the train at Garden City...skipping that stop would be like like skipping Paramatta on a Blue Mountains line train or Dandenong on a Traralgon train.

But again, as I keep banging on about, you'd just do this type of arrangement:
https://www.google.com.au/maps/place/Futuroscope/@46.6712215,0.3775389,274m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x47fda33c42dc2de3:0x6676320a3d792873

2 tracks widens to 4 at the station, then shrinks back to two.

The good thing about most potential station sites is that there is plenty of land to do this:

-Loganholme: Acres of car parking ...build an elevated station like Springfield above it https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-27.6605115,153.1700384,201m/data=!3m1!1e3

-Springwood: Big triangles of land that you could just build straight above with lifts down to the exiting busstation.
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-27.6149162,153.1246273,224m/data=!3m1!1e3

-8MP....well, no comment :P
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-27.5786845,153.1020659,265m/data=!3m1!1e3

-Garden City
Couple of options, either use the existing station, with no need to bifuricate because all trains would stop here.
Or, shift the station slightly south to use up the current park and ride land.
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-27.564395,153.0821065,366m/data=!3m1!1e3

-Griffith
Plenty of land to rebuild
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-27.546804,153.0646831,257m/data=!3m1!1e3


-Holland Park West
Flip the arrangement of the platforms by running bypass tracks on the outside?
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-27.5286842,153.0576075,107m/data=!3m1!1e3

 

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