Daylight saving - discussion

[ozbob]

[Cam]

What Newman said in 2007:
"I'd be very supportive of the Premier if she wishes to hold a referendum," he said. "I think the benefits to Brisbane of daylight saving are quite marked."

[verbatim9]

I am all for the introduction of Daylight Saving

The Premier has been gagged by the LNP

Fay Howard
Back in 2007 you sent me a letter saying you were a staunch supporter of Daylight Savings yet whilst you were Mayor you did nothing to bring it back in, Melbourne and Sydney people laugh at Qld they say we're falling behind them in many ways, you want to be a true contender bring in Daylight Savings.

Hi Fay - When Campbell Newman was Lord Mayor he represented Brisbane. As the Premier of Queensland he has to consider the views and the impact daylight saving would have on ALL Queenslanders. - Premier's Team
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[hU0N]

The most frustrating thing I find is the fact you get home from work and its already getting dark by 6pm. Meanwhile, it is light at 5am in the morning. This is especially frustrating when trying to sleep. In the middle of summer, due to light sensitivity, I can't sleep past about 9am.

Personally, I am very much for DST. The period between 4am and 6am is the only time of day when I'm guaranteed to be asleep. Unfortunately in summer that's generally the best part of the day in terms of both daylight and temperatures...

Actually, the main issue up north is temperature.  I live in Brisbane, and for me late afternoon happens between finishing work and sunset, so having an extra hour of daylight makes tons of sense.  But when I lived in Cairns, late afternoon happened between sunset and dinner, because it was too hot to be outside while the sun was still up.  This was reflected in the afternoon economy also.  That being the case, having an extra hour of daylight is madness, because it means having one less hour of recreation time.

That being said, I would love DST in the south east.

[ozbob]

Revised #timezone proposal for #Qld #Daylightsaving allowing resident feedback

> https://t.co/dprUtV3dMx

> https://t.co/hInz0reqzI

[Gazza]

Wonder why the survey suggests daylight savings year round? In the middle of winter that would mean sunrise at 7:40, which is probably a bit too late.

[verbatim9]

Agree not a huge fan of Daylight saving in winter not enough light to shift from the morning to the eve.

[verbatim9]

Ready to sign a #Qld Governemt epetition for #Daylightsaving   https://t.co/GPP4cPzzTc 

[pandmaster]

I am sold on having consistent time on the East Coast. I am not sold on DST for Queensland. DST is an archaic concept. John Oliver made a great video about it.

The best compromise I am aware of is to have all Eastern States on UTC+10.5 year round.

[verbatim9]

Re: 10.5 year round, That concept was voted down at the Liberal/Lnp Conference last year.

[verbatim9]

Daylightsaving in Qld gaining momentum for introduction with support from a major party https://t.co/3imDlaNHUP

[James]

Wonder why the survey suggests daylight savings year round? In the middle of winter that would mean sunrise at 7:40, which is probably a bit too late.

I agree, I think it is a bit ridiculous suggesting year-round daylight saving. One of the main benefits of DST would be to fall into line with the other states - year round DST wouldn't make sense. Brisbane people already start/finish their day earlier than their southern counterparts anyway, so its like people have imposed their own year-round DST. I don't see a need to change it.

I think the biggest case for DST is that it is making more daylight available at a time people will use it (7-8pm), rather than having it in the 'never hours' of 4 or 5am.

[verbatim9]

7news local gathering some #Daylightsaving facts https://t.co/n7ZIbA1gRP Ready to sign and support? https://t.co/GPP4cPzzTc

[verbatim9]

Qld economy slows to recession levels Lowest growth of .5% in the country. Improvements? Can Daylightsaving stimulate the tourism and hospitality sector in the afternoons? Tourist spending more in Tourist precincts in the light of the eve? Potential of attracting National and Multi National offices to Qld by being on the same timezone as Syd/Mel year round?

[verbatim9]

Queenslanders working longer to keep inline with Sydney & Melbourne during Summer.  https://t.co/GPmuWXnI1W

(Starting early for Syd/Mel in some job sectors becoming the norm Daylightsaving in Qld can alleviate unnecessary early starts).

[DaylightTimes]

Daylight Saving in Queensland would add to improvements in community safety during those much-needed later trading hours and everyone wins including a safer public transport network But those in our west are encouraged to watch this Daylight Saving clip to see how much Queensland is missing out, but our west (Eg. Mt Isa) can move in line with South Australia's Central Daylight Time (observed in Broken Hill, NSW) in aid of gaining similar benefits without a single sunset too late beyond 8 for them. See what you make of this for a share: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWsTy9s4h_o&feature=youtu.be 

[Arnz]

While a majority of SEQ may want Daylight saving, it seems that a large majority of regional Queensland doesn't want DST either. 

I'd be tipping if there was another referendum anytime soon, the regional voters (ie north of Noosa or west of Darling Downs) would push the "No" votes over the line, even if there is a majority of 'Yes' votes in the SEQ corner.

[Gazza]

On NYE I had a drunken idea with a mate of DLS every 2nd year.

[hU0N]

Personally I love DST, and I'd vote for it in a heartbeat if there were a referendum. But the truth is that virtually nowhere in the world between the Tropics of Capricorn and Cancer have DST. Most have trialled it and not proceeded because it genuinely reduces quality of life in such climates.

In as much as DST improves quality of life in temperate latitudes (and it genuinely does), it does so because the summertime culture and economy in temperate climates is a daylight one, so an extra hour of daylight is enormously welcome.

In tropical climates, the summertime culture and economy is predominantly a nighttime one. Streets are deserted till the sun goes down. Restaurants have tables to burn at 7pm but are booked solid days in advance at 8:30. The markets and retailers might not bother opening till after lunch, but they'd never dream of closing before 9. In this context, pushing back sunset by an hour results in a very real decrease in quality of life.

In fact, if you put up a referendum proposing some kind of nighttime savings time, that brought sunset an hour earlier in summer, it might not be popular in SEQ, but it'd get near 100% approval from voters north of Rockhampton.

[verbatim9]

Personally I love DST, and I'd vote for it in a heartbeat if there were a referendum. But the truth is that virtually nowhere in the world between the Tropics of Capricorn and Cancer have DST. Most have trialled it and not proceeded because it genuinely reduces quality of life in such climates.

In as much as DST improves quality of life in temperate latitudes (and it genuinely does), it does so because the summertime culture and economy in temperate climates is a daylight one, so an extra hour of daylight is enormously welcome.

In tropical climates, the summertime culture and economy is predominantly a nighttime one. Streets are deserted till the sun goes down. Restaurants have tables to burn at 7pm but are booked solid days in advance at 8:30. The markets and retailers might not bother opening till after lunch, but they'd never dream of closing before 9. In this context, pushing back sunset by an hour results in a very real decrease in quality of life.

In fact, if you put up a referendum proposing some kind of nighttime savings time, that brought sunset an hour earlier in summer, it might not be popular in SEQ, but it'd get near 100% approval from voters north of Rockhampton.

Apparently Qld is similar to Florida USA. Yet they have Daylight Saving for 8 months of the year.

[hU0N]

All of the USA is much further north than you think. New York City (for example) roughly aligns with Launceston, and Florida roughly aligns with the area between Coffs Harbour and Inskip Point (just north of Noosa). So any observations you make about the climate of Florida, especially southern Florida should also be applicable to parts of Australia around Brisbane, and will have very little relevance to the experience in Cairns.

This being the case, I definitely agree with you. DST seems to work well in Southern Florida, and should therefore also work well in the equivalent parts of Australia, ie Greater Brisbane. And I can, based on the trial we had here a couple of decades back, confirm that yes, that is indeed the case.

But in tropical climates such as Cairns however, it doesn't work at all, and if DST were imposed  it would be the only tropical area of the world to have DST.

[James]

A map of Australia/NZ super-imposed on a map of the USA with latitudes included - and the climate too.

It is worth noting that Mexico also has DST, but most of the other Central American countries (Belize, Honduras etc.) do not.

[verbatim9]

Remember that 90% of Queensland's population lives below the tropic of Capricorn. The tip of Queensland as well as anything west of the ranges has a very sparse population.

[hU0N]

Remember that 90% of Queensland's population lives below the tropic of Capricorn. The tip of Queensland as well as anything west of the ranges has a very sparse population.

That may be basically true, but it still means that statewide DST requires 15% of the population to accept a reduction in quality of life so that 85% can have an improved quality of life. I'm a supporter of DST, but I think it's important to acknowledge that this is the reality of the policy.

[verbatim9]

A map of Australia/NZ super-imposed on a map of the USA with latitudes included - and the climate too.

It is worth noting that Mexico also has DST, but most of the other Central American countries (Belize, Honduras etc.) do not.

This map is a better explanation

[hU0N]

This map is a better explanation

That's rather hilarious. Where did you get that?

[verbatim9]

From the web

[James]

You know that map is 100% sarcastic, right? It is making cultural comment, not climatic/latitudinal comment. The latitudes are not lined up correctly at all - compare the climate of Hobart to that of Toronto or Halifax, for example.

Just because it is on the internet, doesn't mean it is true.

[ozbob]

Twitter

Nick Wiggins  ‏@nick__w 11m

Premier says no plans for a referendum on daylight saving for Queensland this term, in response to petition signed by 21468 ppl. #qldpol

[verbatim9]

Twitter

Nick Wiggins  ‏@nick__w 11m

Premier says no plans for a referendum on daylight saving for Queensland this term, in response to petition signed by 21468 ppl. #qldpol

I guess if we have an early election? It will be addressed before Comm Games

[verbatim9]

Daylight Saving for Brisbane and Queensland?

http://www.domain.com.au/news/things-you-learn-when-you-move-to-brisbane-20160524-gp3576/

No daylight savings is dumb

The argument against daylight savings in Queensland usually goes something along the lines of "the poor cows will be confused". Forgetting that the cattle in other parts of the country appear to do just fine, thank you very much, there is also a distinct lack of bovine activity in Brisbane. So all the lack of daylight savings does is confuse the hell out of anybody with friends/relatives/colleagues in another state, as you always wonder whether you're calling an hour early, an hour late, or right on time.

[verbatim9]

Queensland DaylightSaving flashback will it be reintroduced again? #qldpol #GoldCoast #Brisbane #Toowoomba #Cairns https://t.co/mRkq8hWsi0

Remember when: the future of Queensland's daylight saving was in doubt following 1990 trial


ANDREW POTTS, Gold Coast Bulletin

August 1, 2016 2:36pm


Gold Coast Bulletin, Saturday March 3, 1990.

DAYLIGHT saving ended the next day but serious doubt was being thrown on its reintroduction for the 1990-91 summer.

A rage was sweeping through western, central and northern Queensland on whether Queenslanders would wind forward the clocks the next October.

It was thought to mean that the Gold Coast, where support for daylight saving remained strong, would be forced to again consider going it alone.

Pro-daylight saving campaigners were concerned at marginal support in some coastal areas and even in pockets of Brisbane where one Liberal MP believed support was as low as 40 per cent.

They were also concerned that the trial was introduced for the 1989-90 summer without making any community changes to gain its most benefit.

They wanted at least another summer's trial with special consideration for those inconvenienced most, including country schoolchildren and farmers.

The trial ended the next morning and the Goss Labor Government was expected to continue it in some form the next year although it was not considered a certainty.

Its future was to depend on the Government's evaluation of the recommendations of a special taskforce which had been monitoring the trial.

Employment, Training and Industrial Relations Minister Nev Warburton told State Parliament the Government's attitude would be known by July.

He said the taskforce would complete its review by early April and he hoped to have recommendations and options ready to take to Cabinet by early May.

Mr Warburton, who refused to commit himself one way or the other, said the taskforce had received between 4000 and 5000 submissions.

[verbatim9]

DaylightSaving starting Oct 2 except for the missing 22℅ of the puzzle being Queensland --->

www.thechronicle.com.au/news/johno-has-his-say-daylight-savings/3095531/

https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10153780082056254&id=24945426253

[verbatim9]

Some Live TV will be delayed and impact Queensland from Oct 2 for 6 months due to Daylight Saving https://t.co/zK1wGWcfxq

[verbatim9]

Tweed Coolangatta residents want the Qld Gov to reintroduce DaylightSaving --->  https://t.co/6iDLjfu21N

[verbatim9]

My phone went automatically forward last night while I was asleep and it was set on Auto time from provider. Now an hour early for a meet up with a mate.

[locojoe67]

I have long thought the key mistake made by advocates is asking the whole state to adopt dst, when the people that want it, and need it for business, are concentrated in the south East.

Why can there not be a separate dst zone in the south East? Did I miss that part of the conversation? Are we that primitive that two time zones is too much to ask in such a big state?

[verbatim9]

I have long thought the key mistake made by advocates is asking the whole state to adopt dst, when the people that want it, and need it for business, are concentrated in the south East.

Why can there not be a separate dst zone in the south East? Did I miss that part of the conversation? Are we that primitive that two time zones is too much to ask in such a big state?

Line of Capricorn down could be good to include towns and cities along it. Hence Rockhampton down.

[aldonius]

Did I miss that part of the conversation?

Well a few elections ago there was this party called "Daylight Savings 4 South East Queensland"...

[verbatim9]

That's gone