Brisbane Transport Bus Changes from 22 July 2013

[ozbob]

Summary of bus changes

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Flyer 77 88 and 111 bus route changes

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Toombul 369 590 bus route changes

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Bus changes news flyer - Forest Lake, Inala and surrounding suburbs

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You can use the TransLink online journey planner at www.translink.com.au, select any date from 22 July 2013 onwards, and search for your regular journeys to see how the service changes will impact on your travel.

TransLink is committed to providing accessible services to stakeholders from all culturally and linguistically – diverse backgrounds. For interpretation services call 13 12 30, or for National Relay Service TTY and modern please call 13 37 77, Speech to Speech Relay Service 1300 555 727 or for information on accessible transport visit translink.com.au/accessibletransport.

[ozbob]

TransLink --> http://translink.com.au/travel-information/service-updates/seq-bus-network-review-2013/brisbane

[#Metro]

Love the recommendation for route 468 "Alternative services - 'Car'"

[ozbob]

Love the recommendation for route 468 "Alternative services - 'Car'"

They forget Segways ...

[Andrew]

Did anyone else pick up the fact that TMR/Translink/Transport Ministers office keep saying they've implemented BCC's proposals in full but in fact they haven't?  There is NO P163 to replace the busway section of the P88 despite the P88 getting standing loads most of the time.

And segways are only legal from Aug 1 Ozbob

[minbrisbane]

I'm glad there's no P88 replacement, it was perhaps the most obvious duplication.  There's ample capacity in existing services.  111/160/555 + peak hour routes.

[techblitz]

I'm glad there's no P88 replacement, it was perhaps the most obvious duplication.  There's ample capacity in existing services.  111/160/555 + peak hour routes.

Yes, the money saved will be excellent as it was an air carrier on weekends and majority of times off-peak.
However andrew does raise a fair question. Where is the planned p163 replacement? And he is also spot on that this route did VERY well at peak as it shuffled people past Buranda straight from kgbs without them having to detour through the CC.Obviously commuters were liking the timesavings.
The bonus is we will see fuller 111 & 222 buses...offset of this however is now it will just slow down boarding times for the 222 and 111 through the inner busway at peak.
I will add that the p88 also relieved a lot of 3pmish overcrowding from the boys college so prepare for `bus full` on routes such as the 460 etc. Kids being left behind as well.

So long P88!

[James]

Yes, the money saved will be excellent as it was an air carrier on weekends and majority of times off-peak.
However andrew does raise a fair question. Where is the planned p163 replacement? And he is also spot on that this route did VERY well at peak as it shuffled people past Buranda straight from kgbs without them having to detour through the CC.Obviously commuters were liking the timesavings.
The bonus is we will see fuller 111 & 222 buses...offset of this however is now it will just slow down boarding times for the 222 and 111 through the inner busway at peak.
I will add that the p88 also relieved a lot of 3pmish overcrowding from the boys college so prepare for `bus full` on routes such as the 460 etc. Kids being left behind as well.

So long P88!

The answer to this question can be found here: www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/traffic-transport/public-transport/buses/bus-network-review/route-p88/index.htm See the following quote:

Following consideration of the feedback, the P88 should be removed as per the proposal. Given the availability of a number of high frequency alternatives operated by Council and other bus operators, implementation of the 163 will be reviewed and patronage monitored to assess demand requirements.

P88 is of no great loss. P-rockets exist all along the busway and should be able to easily absorb the capacity from cut services, the only downside is they scatter all over the city instead of going to KGSBS/Roma Street. Taking a look at the timetable, P88 only ever saves 1-2 minutes at the very most - and most of that is due to irrelevant fat added elsewhere in the timetable (probably due to lower utilisation of P88).

In regards to capacity issues during school times (and generally Indro - CBD), just put on additional services to Indro when school gets out if its really important. I really don't think it will matter though - there is only one stop (Taringa) between the BBC stop and Indooroopilly - where P88 terminates. I doubt we will end up with a critical situation. P88 really was the obvious one for service removal Indooroopilly - CBD. Minimal impacts to travelling public. Still a lot of cutting to rightsize service along that corridor, though. I hate to question this - but standing loads? Really? Quite to the contrary, I have seen a completely empty P88 at Toowong at 5:30pm on a Friday evening.

There was a bright side to P88 though. The single-seat westside - Garden City trip would save 5 minutes or so for those travelling that way, although really there wasn't the demand there for that single-seat trip (not to mention with every bus running to the City from the westside, transfer in the city is just as easy).

[techblitz]

Yes james standing loads from kgsbs over to Buranda and beyond at the pm peak. Andrew probably noticed this as well in one of the buses he drives. Its good that they will be at least monitoring any effects of the deletion. Plus side is that the 111 uses artics.

I was referring to the inbound services from the BBC. Have been on a 460 which had to turn back kids due to too many trying to board.

http://jp.translink.com.au/travel-information/network-information/stops-and-stations/stop/001747/timetable

link to the stop

the 3.14 460 bus was the `sorry bus full` when I was heading inbound. Easy to see why as between 3.01pm and 3.14 there is only the p88 (which will be gone) which leaves a decent amount of time for students to build-up before hammering the 460/453. The 3.01 qnd then 3.25 arrivals for the 444 don't exactly help the cause either. As you can see if the students aren't at that stop by 3.01pm then.......

[ozbob]

Media release 21 July 2013



Brisbane: Bus changes commence 22nd July 2013

RAIL Back On Track (http://backontrack.org) a web based community support group for rail and public transport and an advocate for public transport passengers has said the bus changes commencing in Brisbane from tomorrow are a very poor response by Brisbane City Council (1).

Robert Dow, Spokesman for RAIL Back On Track said:

"The bus review failure in Brisbane has put back public transport years."

"The changes occurring to a number of bus routes tomorrow are just basically cuts without the commensurate network gains.  Patronage will continue to slide and even more pressure will be put on the failing fares for TransLink."

"The correct thing to to do is to give network control for Brisbane Transport to the proper transport authority and then a logical, connected, frequent, cost sustainable public transport network can be put in place."

"It is a sad day for public transport in Queensland."

Reference:

1. http://translink.com.au/travel-information/service-updates/seq-bus-network-review-2013/brisbane

Contact:

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track http://backontrack.org

[James]

Yes james standing loads from kgsbs over to Buranda and beyond at the pm peak. Andrew probably noticed this as well in one of the buses he drives. Its good that they will be at least monitoring any effects of the deletion. Plus side is that the 111 uses artics.

I was referring to the inbound services from the BBC. Have been on a 460 which had to turn back kids due to too many trying to board.

http://jp.translink.com.au/travel-information/network-information/stops-and-stations/stop/001747/timetable

link to the stop

the 3.14 460 bus was the `sorry bus full` when I was heading inbound. Easy to see why as between 3.01pm and 3.14 there is only the p88 (which will be gone) which leaves a decent amount of time for students to build-up before hammering the 460/453. The 3.01 qnd then 3.25 arrivals for the 444 don't exactly help the cause either. As you can see if the students aren't at that stop by 3.01pm then.......

I am aware this route would have standing loads towards 8MP in the PM peak - the busway is well utilised. But it is just another route clogging up the busway. If Cultural Centre capacity is an issue, I'd look at putting routes like the 160 via CCB - you can do that without destroying the "all BUZes via Cultural Centre" mentality.

Yes - the 460 may be leaving passengers behind. If they're City-bound pax though, this is irrelevant. Maybe put on more school buses like the BBC - Chermside one if necessary - otherwise City-bound buses filling up, in my books, is a non-issue.  In fact, I'd say it would be a refreshing change from the excessive amounts of air flying down Coronation Drive. School loads which only occur for a small period each day do not justify the creation of a whole new bus route. The rest of the route of the 453/460 is duplicated right through to the CBD - if you are that concerned about being left behind, leave a bit earlier/later, catch a 412, or one of those mysterious things that run on rails. 

[ozbob]

Sent to all outlets:

22nd July 2013

Re: Brisbane: Bus changes commence 22nd July 2013

Greetings,

Another giant leap backwards today courtesy of the BCC bus review and very weak political leadership in the transport portfolio at the state level.

Bus routes affected from today:

    routes 77, P88 and 111
    routes 369 and 590
    routes 101, 102, 103, 118, 460, P461, 462, 465, 466 and 468.

More --> http://translink.com.au/travel-information/service-updates/seq-bus-network-review-2013/brisbane
A message for you all.  A functional economy needs a functional  transport system.

Best wishes
Robert

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track http://backontrack.org

Media release 21 July 2013



Brisbane: Bus changes commence 22nd July 2013

RAIL Back On Track (http://backontrack.org) a web based community support group for rail and public transport and an advocate for public transport passengers has said the bus changes commencing in Brisbane from tomorrow are a very poor response by Brisbane City Council (1).

Robert Dow, Spokesman for RAIL Back On Track said:

"The bus review failure in Brisbane has put back public transport years."

"The changes occurring to a number of bus routes tomorrow are just basically cuts without the commensurate network gains.  Patronage will continue to slide and even more pressure will be put on the failing fares for TransLink."

"The correct thing to to do is to give network control for Brisbane Transport to the proper transport authority and then a logical, connected, frequent, cost sustainable public transport network can be put in place."

"It is a sad day for public transport in Queensland."

Reference:

1. http://translink.com.au/travel-information/service-updates/seq-bus-network-review-2013/brisbane

Contact:

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track http://backontrack.org

[techblitz]

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/brisbane-bus-changes-take-effect-20130722-2qd74.html

[ozbob]

From the Brisbanetimes click here!

Brisbane bus changes take effect

Brisbane bus changes take effect

Date July 22, 2013 - 8:15AM Kim Stephens

Brisbane's public transport advocacy group has warned changes to the bus network implemented on Monday will drive commuters away from public transport.

The first changes to the network came into effect on Monday, with one service scrapped and two others altered.

Route P88 from Eight Mile Plains to Indooroopilly via the city no longer exists and route 77 from Chermside to Eight Mile Plains via the Clem7 tunnel will now be an hourly service during off peak times.

There are also minor timetable changes to route 111, which runs between Eight Mile Plains and Roma Street.

Translink has advised regular users of route P88 there are a number of alternatives for those travelling between Eight Mile Plains and Indooroopilly, as well as those travelling to Wesley Hospital and Brisbane Boy's College.

The changes are the result of a Brisbane City Council review of services conducted on behalf of the state government, designed to improve efficiency and patronage on the city's bus routes.

A second round of changes are due to take effect on October 14.

However, Robert Dow, spokesperson for public trasnsport advocacy group Rail Back on Track, said he believed the changes would see usage continue to slide.

"The changes today are the beginning of cuts to save money by Brisbane City Council without the improvements in service," he said.

"All it will do is make it cheaper to operate. There will be less services, less connections, less efficiency, they are not going to get a patronage gain."

Lord Mayor Graham Quirk told Fairfax Media earlier this month that despite the inconvenience to some commuters, the changes would lead to improvements in reliability on the network.

"After considering more than 1500 submissions from the community we are now rolling out commonsense changes to the bus network that will deliver more efficient services for some while protecting existing services for others," Cr Quirk said.

"In fact, even when we've finished the entire rollout of the review recommendations, almost 70 per cent of commuters will still be unaffected."

[HappyTrainGuy]

What changes?